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[Shayper]

Yeah and a shame the other 2 were crap

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Real pros use this :

 

[Strife212]

He doesn't mean it as a special effect, he wants to use it as a plot device CSI style.

 

[Cosimo]

Firing blanks would take on a new meaning.

 

[Edrof]

He doesn't mean it as a special effect, he wants to use it as a plot device CSI style.

This! I thought I'd said that already but lots of people seem to think I'm trying to invent a special effect technique. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. It would be a plot device - a way of faking a character's death; believable to (the fictional) onlookers and original. The arrow over the head is my insurance idea

I've seen pretty realistic gun shot effects done by people using after effects. Pretty amazing what can be achieved for no money, as good as some multi million $ films.

After Effects is nothing short of fantastic in the right hands. It does cost £1,000 though, so not quite 'no money'



Okay, new idea:

What about a 'bullet', fired from something sub-sonic like a deLisle carbine, that had no round in the casing - the round being replaced with a blood and a thick wax case (or something better?) tip to keep the blood in?

 

[Doctor McNinja]

There are the issues of how much blood can you fit into a cartridge and would it be cooked or vaporised by the propellent.

After the victim is shot, is the body inspected in any way by a third party?

 

[Tefal]

This! I thought I'd said that already but lots of people seem to think I'm trying to invent a special effect technique. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. It would be a plot device - a way of faking a character's death; believable to (the fictional) onlookers and original. The arrow over the head is my insurance idea




After Effects is nothing short of fantastic in the right hands. It does cost £1,000 though, so not quite 'no money'



Okay, new idea:

What about a 'bullet', fired from something sub-sonic like a deLisle carbine, that had no round in the casing - the round being replaced with a blood and a thick wax case (or something better?) tip to keep the blood in?

why?

why use a very dangerous and non realistic technique when you can easily and safely use the same method used in older films?

Either way it would be immediately obvious (although less so with a squib under the clothes) to anyone who to within a few feet of the body that the man is alive and unharmed (he also will need to bury the pain of the impact), so your going to need the situation to remove the body and prevent any inspection from bystanders.

 

[kwerk]

It would just turn to mist. The wadding would probably cause some injury. Definitely not work.

BTW here's a trick to turn shot shells to keep them together sort of like a slug.

 

["andy"]

Didn't Bruce Lee's son die due to a gunshot from a gun loaded with blanks?

only because a previously 'bad' lbank was stuck in the barrel and no one realised , then the gas caused by the combustion of the proper blank fired the previously stuck part at him

he was very very very unlucky that something fired at him and even more unlucky that it hit him in the spine

 

[kwerk]

there is training ammo called which is basically a real round with a blue or pink paintball instead of a bullet that you can shoot through normal guns. If you used one with a blood colored paint it might work but they hurt considerably.

 

[Edrof]

there is training ammo called which is basically a real round with a blue or pink paintball instead of a bullet that you can shoot through normal guns. If you used one with a blood colored paint it might work but they hurt considerably.

That's great - I'll do some research on them!

Just to be clear *again* about this. I'm not actually going to shoot anyone- it's a FICTIONAL way of faking someone's death. Thanks to all the helpers

 

[Helveticat]

Isn't this what we have Albanians for?

 

[hanluc]

just a normal day on the ocuk forums then

LOL

 

[Beren]

...you took all of the shot out of a shotgun cartidge and packed it with animal blood and flesh, could you then shoot it at someone and make it appear to be a real shooting?

Would it hurt the shootee?

I thought of it as a way of faking a death in a script I'm working on and thought it was fairly original, so I won't actually be doing this! Besides, I lack the gun, the cartridge, the blood & guts and the motivation.

If it is never going to be done (i.e. it stays on the script never to be re-enacted..) Then you could potentially take the shot AND some of the charge out of a cartridge and fill a small bladder with blood etc. You want the 'wound' to have a particular impact site. If what you did fired at all it would then spray far more than you want. OT my brothers once faked a shooting at a party with a shotgun and a blank... but they were numbskulls with such shocking regularity that no-one believed it was real.

 

[DRZ]

Wadding is used in shotgun shells to hold the gun powder in. Same deal with blank bullets which is why, or rather how, Brandon Lee was killed by a blank firing gun. The wadding was propelled out of the gun in the same way a bullet would have been and cracked his skull, causing a shard of bone to be fired into his brain. So if you're trying to fake a death with a blank of some variety, assuming that the "victim" is within range, you may end up with an actual death.

There's also the issue of the victim receiving burns. I don't know how far you have to be from a gun before the gases expelled pose no risk but again, if the "victim" is in range, they could be left screaming in agony from burns. It would kind of give the game away.

That is not how he died.

A real bullet with the propellant but not the primer was used in one scene. The gun was fired and the primer had enough energy to push the actual bullet free of the casing and into the barrel of the gun.

The gun was not subsequently checked prior to being loaded with a blank - a casing with primer and propellant but no bullet - and fired. As there was actually a bullet already in the gun this was fired, killing him.

I have seen injuries caused by wadding but you would have to be very, very close indeed (or seriously unlucky) for one to impart an injury serious enough to cause death.

 

[aardvark]

wouldn't work but i've seen much more unrealistic stuff on csi (bunch of idiots the writers are)

 

[boxman2000]

just a normal day on the ocuk forums then

To the OP, I suggest you can be the test subject and tell us if it hurts or not!

 

[Liampope]

Someone did this on CSI. They made a bullet out of frozen pig flesh and shot it into someone and all the CSIs were like WTF where's the bullet.

And then Mythbusters did the whole frozen bullet thing (although just frozen water rather than flesh, but meh) showing what a load of nonsense it is .

 

[eddiemcgarrigle]

Am I the only one who was reminded of this by the title?

 

[Doctor McNinja]

wouldn't work but i've seen much more unrealistic stuff on csi (bunch of idiots the writers are)

It's a good job I haven't got time for a rant about how stupid CSI is and how hackneyed most of the actors are... I'm looking at you David Caruso, putting on your sun glasses, raising your head slightly and then saying something in a gruff voice!

I guess I did have time for a mini rant.