Illegal file sharing on the Internet, what should we do?

You have however still taken something without permission of the owner and not paid for it - this differs from direct "off the shelf theft" how?
its theft if you go with canvas and paints to copy the mona lisa? :D
 
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Fact.

which is relevant how, all you are doing id pointing out the definition of the words and the wording of the law which is pretty irelevant the outcome is the same.

its theft if you go with canvas and paints to copy the mona lisa? :D

No thats fine because the mona lisa is not protected by copyright, however were you to take photocopies of a poster version that you purchased in the musem gift shop then you would be 'stealing' as the poster is protected by copyright owned by the producer of the poster.
 
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Digital films, music and games are just numbers in a computer. You can't steal a number.

I can't help but laugh at people that believe this is a valid excuse. Where were you when the brains were handed out exactly? :rolleyes:

The fact is, the law needs adjusting to work with changes in technology, and the content providers need to work at new methods to prevent piracy, without restricting the genuine users.

Until then, the people that know it's wrong will continue purchasing legally as they do, and the pirates will continue to pirate as they do.
 
Slightly related; why do people buy music on iTunes? Seriously, why?

A physical album is normally cheaper if you shop around quickly online, you get a physical product, higher quality, and much less restricted (no real DRM on cds).
 
If someone wasn't going to go out and buy something, what's wrong with them enjoying it for free? I love asking stupid questions.

Anyway, some people here need to get off their high-horses and stop acting like they've never done anything wrong in their lives.
 
Slightly related; why do people buy music on iTunes? Seriously, why?

A physical album is normally cheaper if you shop around quickly online, you get a physical product, higher quality, and much less restricted (no real DRM on cds).

I have no idea why at all, I would hate to have a reduced product which is costing the same as it would from the shops. I don't like CD's either casing & all that really gets on my nerves :/ I just want the music nothing else.

I'm sorry to say but pirates are doing it better than the legal sources.
 
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I haven't even read this. However I can say that if you don't understand the difference between copyright infringement and theft then you don't understand everything about the issue. I'm not saying it's right, just that you have either not understood, or discounted, part of the argument.
 
If you'd bothered to read on you would have seen where I explained that anyone attempting to say there is a difference because online you are not stealing anything "physical" but in a store you are is incorrect.
It is still taking something that simply doesn't belong to you.


I apologies for a lack of tact but - you are wrong. The act of the copying costs almost nothing. The fact that it does cost (lots of) money to create the IP in the first place is an important issue and needs to be addressed - correct. It is wrong and they should get paid, but the piracy is still not theft.
 

Another interesting view point on this is this, take movies as a good example. Most of the films that are pirated and made available online are not copies of the original as they often have bits removed like the menu's or if its some dodgy cam copy then they have extra footage like the cinema surroundings. So technically they are not copies, at which point does something not become a copy of the original.

Same can be said for games in the old days when they had crack intro screens before the game loaded. This again makes it not a direct copy of the original as parts are added or removed.

Just a thought if in court and being challenged i would be interested to see what the technical view point on this was :)
 
I apologies for a lack of tact but - you are wrong. The act of the copying costs almost nothing. The fact that it does cost (lots of) money to create the IP in the first place is an important issue and needs to be addressed - correct. It is wrong and they should get paid, but the piracy is still not theft.

Where do you stand morally on piracy? Ignore what the law tells you and ignore what the dictionary says for a minute and give an honest answer, I really am interested to know.
 
I havnt brought a DVD, Album, PC game in about 7 years..

Ive saved a lot of money..

and the companies that own the things that you haven't bought have lost the money you would normally be giving them had downloading not been so easy.

You're getting a copy of the product that they're selling, and they're losing your income, therefore theft.
 
they need to drop the price of cd/dvd/blu-rays etc etc, if there cheap enough people will buy them instead of downloading copies

but with faster download speeds it wont stop some people
nor me...lol
 
I apologies for a lack of tact but - you are wrong. The act of the copying costs almost nothing. The fact that it does cost (lots of) money to create the IP in the first place is an important issue and needs to be addressed - correct. It is wrong and they should get paid, but the piracy is still not theft.

It amounts to the same thing!!
You are taking something that should cost you money for nothing - you are stealing the item.

I really don't understand why intelligent people are having such a difficult time understanding this.
Or attempting to hide behind this great justification that piracy isn't theft because "the dictionary definition says the following....."

Maybe I'm simply giving people too much credit.
 
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I haven't even read this. However I can say that if you don't understand the difference between copyright infringement and theft then you don't understand everything about the issue. I'm not saying it's right, just that you have either not understood, or discounted, part of the argument.

No - I FULLY understand the difference with regards dictionary definition.
However both acts amount to the same thing - somebody is getting something that should cost money for nothing.

Using that quote "Somebody is getting something that should cost money for nothing" how can the two crimes not amount to effectively the same thing?
 
I havnt brought a DVD, Album, PC game in about 7 years..

Ive saved a lot of money..

Well done.
You can sit back and hide behind the usual excuses or you can just admit to being a thief who feels the world owes them a living.
I'm guessing you'll just admit to it - because it's the cool thing to do.

I'm also only hoping that you're still young and that as you grow up you'll realise how industry works and just how much actually goes into the work you happily steal.
Or maybe you won't - maybe you'd prefer to walk around blissfully unaware as that way you can feel better.
 
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