Illegal file sharing on the Internet, what should we do?

stoofa said:
Well done.
You can sit back and hide behind the usual excuses or you can just admit to being a thief who feels the world owes them a living.
I'm guessing you'll just admit to it - because it's the cool thing to do.

I'm also only hoping that you're still young and that as you grow up you'll realise how industry works and just how much actually goes into the work you happily steal.
Or maybe you won't - maybe you'd prefer to walk around blissfully unaware as that way you can feel better.
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yeah im young and couldnt care less, EVERYONE i know does this.

theres only a small handfull of people that dont do it and there the ones who are really old or dont know how to use PC's.
 
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orderoftheflame said:
I think you are. :(

It seems some peoples moral compasses are just messed up.
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Couldn't agree more and thats were the real problem lies, see below for a lovely example of the kind of practically iliterate chavs that perpetuate the problem.

Jamesdavid3 said:
yeah im young and couldnt care less, EVERYONE i know does this.

theres only a small handfull of people that dont do it and there the ones who are really old or dont know how to use PC's.
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I'm 30, I've probably forgotten more about PC's than you will ever know and I don't do this :)
 
a1ex2001 said:
Couldn't agree more and thats were the real problem lies, see below for a lovely example of the kind of practically iliterate chavs that perpetuate the problem.



I'm 30, I've probably forgotten more about PC's than you will ever know and I don't do this :)
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exactly..

Were talking about this generation and thats the people are doing it.

10-15 year olds in school have MP3 Players and they download all of their own songs now.
 
Oh come on, it's :
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Between pirates and anti pirates in here.

You won't stop people downloading or make them feel bad, stop trying it.

I'm guessing you'll just admit to it because it's the cool thing to do
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No, he admits it as it's normal, on OcUK it's a little bit different as it's filled with rich geeks. If you'd go to a forum representing a younger and poorer bit of the population I can assure you anti pirates will just be flamed away as everyone does it.

Slightly related; why do people buy music on iTunes? Seriously, why?
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It's easier, getting a cd is hassle and waiting for it to arrive is annoying. Double clicking and playing the music 10 seconds after buying is not.
Also everyone saying piracy is theft : rofl, welcome to my ignore list, if you aren't intelligent enough to distinguish copying and nicking then you can't be posting anything else worth reading.
 
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End of the day - bring digital downloads down in price to something LOWER than a physical copy, to represent the lower distribution costs, and then we'll be a bit happier
 
But i still think even if they are lower in price myself and others would still download it!

its the fact that you can save so much extra time getting it right away(downloading) rather than going into the shops and looking or trying to find a copy which is hard to get.
 
Jamesdavid3 said:
Ok so You dont..

how many people do you know at your UNI do it?

I would suspect about 80% of them.
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More like 95%, in secondary school there was nobody who opposed copying, literally nobody, everyone asked, hey copy that game for me, oi send me that mp3 on msn, yo I've modded my xbox man, have you seen filmxyz? Nah still downloading it, can you download this and that for me, etc... To a point where teachers mostly showed copied films when we went watching a film.
 
Don't you think we don't care that it's wrong, we don't care it's right or wrong.
That it's not ''right'' to do doesn't bother us a little bit.
 
orderoftheflame said:
I'm sure a percentage of them do, I also know a lot of people don't.

However, just because a group of people do it, doesn't make it right to do...
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Yes but on a semi-sensible note, the music industry en masse has done *NOTHING* to further its own cause, to the point where teachers, students and now average Joe music buyer/cinema goer thinks nothing of filesharing online and not paying a penny for it. With no guilt.

They have missed the boat, and I think it's getting to the point where it's too late to change peoples' attitudes back to the 'morally correct'
 
snowdog said:
Don't you think we don't care that it's wrong, we don't care it's right or wrong.
That it's not ''right'' to do doesn't bother us a little bit.
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Exactly. What do you think would get people buying the music? The purchasers would have to get something more than the music in return.
 
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snowdog said:
Don't you think we don't care that it's wrong, we don't care it's right or wrong.
That it's not ''right'' to do doesn't bother us a little bit.
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I think we've established that much...

stoofa said:
Maybe I'm simply giving people too much credit.
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orderoftheflame said:
I think you are. :(

It seems some peoples moral compasses are just messed up.
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a1ex2001 said:
Couldn't agree more and thats were the real problem lies, see below for a lovely example of the kind of practically iliterate chavs that perpetuate the problem.
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snowdog said:
Don't you think we don't care that it's wrong, we don't care it's right or wrong.
That it's not ''right'' to do doesn't bother us a little bit.
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Thats the problem you see, you know it's wrong yet you still do it because you know you won't get caught. Now if there was a good chance of you getting caught or it was so difficult to do that you couldn't be bothered then the problem would be significantly reduced.
 
I'm going to outright say that I used to pirate everything until I finished Uni and got a job. Actually, I turned a few corners in life in general.

I don't mind paying for CDs, Blu Rays, games etc because I can afford it and I like building my collection and supporting the work that goes in to the product. If anything, I've spent more on items since leaving Uni than I did in all the years prior to it because of artists I discovered online (I now do that via Last.fm and places of a legit nature ;))

I know that doesn't correct what I did, but I believe that there's always that age / that period you go through where you just want to download everything. At the risk of labelling people, I'd bet that the majority of pirates are <19, still live with mum and dad and have a good internet connection that they don't pay for.

Pointless bickering over the legalities of it. If you've "acquired" something, you'll know if it was by a legitimate distribution channel, or not.
 
EVH said:
I'm going to outright say that I used to pirate everything until I finished Uni and got a job. Actually, I turned a few corners in life in general.

I don't mind paying for CDs, Blu Rays, games etc because I can afford it and I like building my collection and supporting the work that goes in to the product. If anything, I've spent more on items since leaving Uni than I did in all the years prior to it because of artists I discovered online (I now do that via Last.fm and places of a legit nature ;))

I know that doesn't correct what I did, but I believe that there's always that age / that period you go through where you just want to download everything. At the risk of labelling people, I'd bet that the majority of pirates are <19, still live with mum and dad and have a good internet connection that they don't pay for.
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You make a good point that I'd say applied in my case. My music collection is now entirely made up of CDs I physically own, along with a few (legit) digital downloads that have either been free or vastly reduced price. I wouldn't have been able to say the same when I was younger ;)

I can also genuinely say that if I hadn't had pirated copies of some albums I wouldn't have later bought them - an excuse often used by many but clearly not true for every pirate.

Sometimes it would be a case of looking for anything to download rather than specifically targeting a specific thing to download...bit pointless looking back but I imagine many people still do this, but they wouldn't walk in to a shop, clear the shelves and walk out.

Pointless bickering over the legalities of it. If you've "acquired" something, you'll know if it was by a legitimate distribution channel, or not.
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Being a pedant is probably one of my biggest flaws ;)
 
The "holier than thou" crowd need to wake up to the suffering of many people on this planet before getting on their high horse about morals, where are your morals when you fund some execs umpteenth Ferrari buying CD's/software that could help save fellow human beings from dying in Africa? you are no better than pirates you just have more money to burn on perks and resent the fact that poor people get the same as you do for free.

Perhaps if we lived in a better society based more around sharing rather than the rich getting richer piracy would be legally encouraged.
 
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