Im not wrong, surely?

[tom_e]

im with you if its between me and them id pop them one before i even had time to think about it

 

[Mickey_D]

Having been in a somewhat similar situation, I can honestly say it wouldn't be me in the pine box.

Three of us were tasked with gaurding the starboard side of the ship while in port. We were tied up starboard to, so we were defending the landward side.

Three kids ride up on bicycles (still have yet to find out how they got in the vicinity, but anyways....). They are told in three different languages (one thier own) they are not permitted there and to leave immediately.

One grows a pair suddenly and starts mouthing off. Again they are told in three languages to leave. Mouthy one gets off his bike and reaches under his gown (for lack of better terminology. I don't know what it's called, but the thing that looks like a bedsheet that everyone wears in the middle east).

Cue a twin barrelled .50 cal machine gun, a single barrelled 20mm cannon, and a Mossberg M-1 12 ga shotgun all racking a round in the chamber simultaneously while the guy on the megaphone tells him to freeze or die. Kid does so.

A detatchment of Marines approaches and searches him, then instructs him and his pals to leave. Mouthy looks like he's going to start again when one of his friends clubs him up the back of the head. Now, I don't know thier language at all, but I can understand, "Don't be a ******* idiot" in ANY lanuguage!!

BTW, I was the one on the shotgun. I had his torso centered along the barrel's rib. I can tell you now that if his hand had made even the slightest twitch, he would have gotten a chest full of 00 buckshot at a minimum. If he hadn't been blown off his feet by that 20mm before I had a chance to react.

No way in hell am I going to let ANYONE get a free shot at me as long as I have the means to defend myself.

 

[Efour]

Cue a twin Caps-locked USB keyboard, a single Microsoft internet keyboard, and a Logitech G15 Gaming-Grade Illuminated Keyboard - Retail (UK Layout) all ctrl+alt+del simultaneously while the guy on the Teamspeak/Ventrillo server tells him to freeze or die. Kid does so.

lol oh well i have to amuse myself these days.

and if anyone says they couldn't tag the kid in a life and death situation I wouldn't want them to be in my Platoon/squad/force/ team whatever fits in the situation.

 

[PardonTheWait]

No way in hell am I going to let ANYONE get a free shot at me as long as I have the means to defend myself.

No one could call that unreasonable.

Doesn't matter who's on the other end of it, no one wants to wake up dead.
Anyone who says they would let a child kill them just because they're a child is a liar. Anyone'd pull that trigger.

 

[Craig321]

Hey guys

Btw before i start, i am completely hammered right now, not eaten since dinner time and had too many pints and double vodka + cokes

Anyways here i go.

Today i had a massive arguement with work friends. I am hopefully going to join the RAF as a communication and information systems specialst (or cis om to people who know wtf im talking about)

People were asking me about what i will be doing etc and then somebody mentioned what if i had to kill somebody. It came onto the discussion of what if i had to kill a little boy who was walking/running towards me with there gun pointed at me. I firmly said i would shoot and kill them the moment i saw them threatening me.

Well this caused a huge arguement, people were saying what if it was only a small child who didnt know better, i was saying i don't care, if its me or him then he is the one who will get killed. Even if i end up with theropy for a few months he will be the one who gets killed. It made a few people mad

I spoke to my parents about it and they agree with me, if its a life or death situation they said they would rather him go home in a box than me, and i agree.

Im not saying that i want to go out and kill everyone i see, i don't want to kill anybody, but if it came to this situation it would be me who shoots to kill. Not to injure,but to kill.

Do you guys agree with me? Or do you agree with my friends?

P.s Don't make this into an agrument i just wonder peoples opinions
Pps. Merry christmas to all, hope you have a great xmas and new year

Not really sure what I'd do, but if you didn't want to kill the kid then just shoot him/her in the leg(s), that'd direct their attention to the pain so you could take the gun off them.

Anyway, why are we talking about killing kids on Christmas

Happy Christmas all

Craig.

 

[AmaTeX]

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I was under the impression that the Geneva Conventions forbid shotguns for combat guess the Americans made their own rules

Any way i firmly believe that it is totally ignorant of any one to say "i wont kill to save my own life" people are not programmed to naturally think this way and in the situation i think they would shoot no matter how many daft ideas they had.

 

[Stiff_Cookie]

I was under the impression that the Geneva Conventions forbid shotguns for combat guess the Americans made their own rules

Any way i firmly believe that it is totally ignorant of any one to say "i wont kill to save my own life" people are not programmed to naturally think this way and in the situation i think they would shoot no matter how many daft ideas they had.

do you have a source for that? i am sure that the US isnt the only ones that use the shotgun

According to "Ultimate Special Forces" written by Hugh McManners, on page 153 it says "The British SAS even used shotguns in the jungles of Malaya during the actions against communist terrorists in the 1950s".

I tried to find an official source using google that stated that shotguns were banned but all I could find was blogs or forums with people saying they were banned or saying they thought they were banned.

 

[Mickey_D]

I was under the impression that the Geneva Conventions forbid shotguns for combat guess the Americans made their own rules

Any way i firmly believe that it is totally ignorant of any one to say "i wont kill to save my own life" people are not programmed to naturally think this way and in the situation i think they would shoot no matter how many daft ideas they had.

From what I understand, there is nothing in the Geneva Convention regulations relating to the use of shotguns in war.

# 1949 Geneva Convention I for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field
# 1949 Geneva Convention II for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea
# 1949 Geneva Convention III Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
# 1949 Geneva Convention IV Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War

And yes, the United States HAS ratified and signed them.

And after doing a rather brief search of all four, I see nowhere in there the word "shotgun" or "flechette" weapon used.

 

[AmaTeX]

After having a brief scan through some of the bits here i have found one line on shotguns:

6. hunting shotguns are the object of some controversy, depending on the nature of the ammunition and its effect on a soft target. (63)

It seems to be down to interpretation of the law and the situation, bit of a grey area.

 

[Justintime]

I'd pop him like there was no tomorrow, and there would'nt be for me if i did'nt! Your mates sound like the huggy feely type thats letting this country be overrun by extremists and little fiddy cent hoodie wannabes.. You should shoot them as well for good measure

 

[Pookie Bear]

Stop drinking with hippies.

 

[PureAppleJuice]

I'd say you're right. Tell your work friends they're fools

 

[ironman]

SherberT*, who is the female in your sig?

 

[Robosapien]

Five stars. . Just for the original post alone!!!!

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Private Joker: How can you shoot women and children?
Door Gunner: Easy... you don't lead 'em so much.
[laughs]
Door Gunner: Ain't war hell?

 

[Chasser]

argh, don't get me envolved in discussions about rules of engagement, it's not allowed! It's a legal minefield I tell thee!

Can. Worms. Open. Everywhere.

Stumbled across this thread whilst looking for something else. The current ROE for UK Forces are contained in JSP 385 to 388B, (Rules of Engagement for Service Personnel authorised to carry Arms and Ammunition etc) and are normally issued to personnel alongside the 'Green Card' (Weapon Competency/Training/Live Firing) and the 'Respirator Check Card'. I've seen the JSP385 and supplementary cards (which carry subtle changes in the ROE for specific operational conditions) change dozens of times across the years, normally after someone is hauled through the civil courts over a firearms incident whilst on active duty. So the comment about it being a legal minefield pretty much sums it up.

 

[Andr3w]

shhhhhhhhhh don't get people started!!

 

[Styles]

If someone, anyone was threatening to take my life in such a manner then I would neutralize the threat by any means neccessary.

 

[Chasser]

If someone, anyone was threatening to take my life in such a manner then I would neutralize the threat by any means neccessary.

Maybe, but after the event (as military personnel) you would have to prove that the 'threat' was real. Opening fire is only sanctioned if human life is imminently and directly threatened.

 

[alexakasloth]

Haven't read the rest of the thread but I agree with you, rather him than me.