Im on day 5 of my nutrition shake diet

[mid_gen]

whats an example
Of your typical day of eating?

Weekdays, typically Huel for breakfast. Sandwich for lunch. Cooked meal for dinner, vegetables, meat. No sugary drinks.
Few biscuits here and there...

When I'm not injured and am doing my normal exercise volume I have an extra light meal late afternoon, a sandwich, leftovers, Huel maybe.

 

[booyaka]

Is this thread a wind up/trolling?

Expecting "results" after 4/5 days is ridiculous.

With a dangerous medical issue you've mentioned I would strongly suggest you take proper medical advice on your diet and not just expect drinking shakes will suddenly transform you.

 

[booyaka]

Do exercise. Eat decent food. You won't achieve anything unless you make permanent lifestyle changes.

100% - "Diets" are short term answers that people seek to make them feel better for a few weeks, then they fall back in to their standard habits - long term sustainable changes are required.

 

[firstborn]

Is this thread a wind up/trolling?

Expecting "results" after 4/5 days is ridiculous.

With a dangerous medical issue you've mentioned I would strongly suggest you take proper medical advice on your diet and not just expect drinking shakes will suddenly transform you.

It comes across as pure fantasy, attention seeking nonsense.

 

[Kreeeee]

Eat decent food.

Huel. Sandwich. Few biscuits here and there...

I have an extra light meal late afternoon, a sandwich, leftovers, Huel maybe.

Wait... what?

Liquid meal replacements, sandwiches, and biscuits do not constitute "decent food".

 

[mid_gen]

Wait... what?

Liquid meal replacements, sandwiches, and biscuits do not constitute "decent food".

Meal replacement is a good nutritious breakfast. Sometimes porridge, but I like the coffee Huel. Sandwiches are what you make em with, I like mine wholemeal, padded with plenty of salad.

Dinner is predominantly vegetables, sometimes meat, but always fresh.

Obviously biscuits aren't good healthy food, but because I exercise, I don't need to inflict a misery diet on myself and can have the odd bit of 'unhealthy' food.

 

[200sols]

Wait... what?

Liquid meal replacements, sandwiches, and biscuits do not constitute "decent food".

Sandwiches are fine. Also he said this is a lifestyle not a fad 'diet' so a few treats are needed. As always everything in moderation.

 

[AndyCr15]

No its not actually, intermittent fasting already proves that calorie deficit works. Starvation would be having absolutely nothing.

Its the only realistic way to lose fat.

A few points on this. I never really understood the IM thing. (**EDIT** Okay, I do get it, but it's floored IMO) If you can eat whatever you want during the hours you CAN eat, then you're not guaranteed a deficit? I could easily eat 3k calories in 8 hours. Therefor IF doesn't prove a deficit works because IF doesn't guarantee a deficit. Carefully count your calories to ensure a deficit, but eat whenever you want. Also, yes it's the only realistic way to lose fat, but don't forget the deficit comes from 'out' being greater then 'in' and all OP is changing is 'in'. (See below)

You have to do exercise, lifting a few barbells is not going to do jack.
Try walking to start and if you can progress to maybe a bike or some spinning classes as suggested earlier.

Definitely this. PyschoS didn't get when I said in the weight loss thread that just dieting is rather lazy in my books. Get outside and exercise. Limiting your calories in might make you loose weight, but getting outside and exercising will make you loose weight AND get healthy. Surely here being healthy is the main goal, but OP has omitted the bit that actually gets you healthy?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

A few points on this. I never really understood the IM thing. (**EDIT** Okay, I do get it, but it's floored IMO) If you can eat whatever you want during the hours you CAN eat, then you're not guaranteed a deficit? I could easily eat 3k calories in 8 hours. Therefor IF doesn't prove a deficit works because IF doesn't guarantee a deficit. Carefully count your calories to ensure a deficit, but eat whenever you want. Also, yes it's the only realistic way to lose fat, but don't forget the deficit comes from 'out' being greater then 'in' and all OP is changing is 'in'. (See below)

Definitely this. PyschoS didn't get when I said in the weight loss thread that just dieting is rather lazy in my books. Get outside and exercise. Limiting your calories in might make you loose weight, but getting outside and exercising will make you loose weight AND get healthy. Surely here being healthy is the main goal, but OP has omitted the bit that actually gets you healthy?

I am exercising? Exercise is the least efficient way of losing fat, and it does nothing to reduce cholesterol. Maintaining a calorie deficit is the only guaranteed way of improving both. Exercising while eating 3000 calories of chocolate a day isn't going to make anyone healthy. Also getting outside during a pandemic is quite bad advice, and you dot need to 'go outside' to 'exercise'.

Intermittent fasting isnt just eating however much you want, there are different tiers.

The first tier is the 8 / 16 hour split, but you are still supposed to count and lower calorie intake. Then theres 24 and 48 hours between 'normal' meals. On the latter you limit your calories to 600 a day for two days at a time, which is the same thing as using shakes.

All these things are well documented and proven over and over again, there was an entire TV show dedicated to it - Supersize vs Superskinny.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Wait... what?

Liquid meal replacements, sandwiches, and biscuits do not constitute "decent food".

Gregg's roast chicken sandwich is surprisingly healthy and tasty.

Chocolates twice a week with nutrition shakes instead of chocolates twice a day with takeaways is still a huge improvement.

Replacing all junk food with shakes is far better than having any junk food. As for 'why not vegetables?' because vegetables alone dont fill anyone up nor reduce appetite. If simply eating healthier worked then we wouldn't have so much obesity in the first place.

 

[AndyCr15]

As others have said, I'm really not sure what this thread is about... clearly you have it all worked out and everything will be great. I'll leave you to it. Don't bother listening to others that have successfully lost loads of weight and become much healthier. I'm sure you'll be fine

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

As others have said, I'm really not sure what this thread is about... clearly you have it all worked out and everything will be great. I'll leave you to it. Don't bother listening to others that have successfully lost loads of weight and become much healthier. I'm sure you'll be fine

I mean I am listening to people that have lost loads of weight?

The overwhelming majority of whom do so through reducing calories.

Most people who work out also replace meals with shakes. You dont continue chowing down McDonald's and KFC 3 times a day and get healthy from exercising.

 

[Begbie]

I mean I am listening to people that have lost loads of weight?

The overwhelming majority of whom do so through reducing calories.

Most people who work out also replace meals with shakes. You dont continue chowing down McDonald's and KFC 3 times a day and get healthy from exercising.

People who know what they are doing DON'T replace meals with shakes. No one with any knowledge on nutrition is replacing meals with shakes, it's just not healthy or sustainable.

I wouldn't even say most people, some might have a protein shake but it's out of laziness/cost saving than the want to be on a good diet. It's very arguable that a shake is a worse diet than any other real food source. The only good thing about any form of liquid diet, is how easy it is and how little research/cooking is needed which has huge advantages but it isn't the best way to eat.

 

[booyaka]

Most people who work out also replace meals with shakes. You dont continue chowing down McDonald's and KFC 3 times a day and get healthy from exercising.

of course you don't - but like I say - with a serious medical condition you need to take proper dietary advice...

Loosing weight is a long term, consistent change in your mindset/food situation.

There is ZERO need to replace food with shakes....Shakes can be useful for quick meal replacement but you will learn nothing/get nowhere longer term chugging shakes for 6/12 months etc.

Lost 4 stone a while back - I changed my approach to food, learned/read up on food/calories etc - Shakes are not the long term answer to loosing weight. Not a shake in sight to loose that weight.

Calories in vs Calories out - it's really that simple.

 

[200sols]

Most people who work out also replace meals with shakes

No they don't. You could say most people who lift weights will take some extra protein from shakes/bars but certainly not meal replacements.

 

[bJN]

No they don't. You could say most people who lift weights will take some extra protein from shakes/bars but certainly not meal replacements.

Indeed. In fact the opposite was true for myself, I was using shakes on top of 3 / 4 meals a day to try and gain weight.

Honestly I'm getting wound up by this thread. You hate the world and the world hates you, we get it. But if you have serious health concerns and want to move to what is arguably a radical change in diet then you need to consult a medical professional given the severity of the conditions you've listed here - if true.

Yes, a calorie deficit will end up with a net loss of weight, no one is arguing that. What we are trying to argue is that a calorie deficit by itself is not healthy. Above and beyond any internet research you can do, exercise is the proven method to get healthier. It's not an either-or scenario; you can do both. The bonus to exercise is that it naturally creates a calorie deficit because you're burning more calories with the added benefit of getting blood pumping round, getting your lungs working, getting joints going and working to stop any muscle atrophy (which could be very useful in your scenario!)

Do as you wish dude, but just take into account no one here is out to get you or cause you harm; they are looking out for your well-being.

 

[Kreeeee]

As always everything in moderation.

Precisely my point. Living off some fad meal replacement shakes and multiple sandwiches a day isn’t a well balance diet.

 

[mid_gen]

Exercising while eating 3000 calories of chocolate a day isn't going to make anyone healthy. Also getting outside during a pandemic is quite bad advice, and you dot need to 'go outside' to 'exercise'.

Someone that does sufficient exercise to burn off the excess calories from munching chocolate is going to be *vastly* more healthy than someone sitting sedentary on their ass starving themselves with a shake diet.

It may not be what you want to hear, because getting into a more active lifestyle can be a lot of effort at first, but once you are into a routine, it becomes enjoyable, rather than a chore.

 

[#Chri5#]

I am exercising? Exercise is the least efficient way of losing fat, and it does nothing to reduce cholesterol. Maintaining a calorie deficit is the only guaranteed way of improving both. Exercising while eating 3000 calories of chocolate a day isn't going to make anyone healthy. Also getting outside during a pandemic is quite bad advice, and you dot need to 'go outside' to 'exercise'.

Now we know you're talking complete waffle!

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

People who know what they are doing DON'T replace meals with shakes. No one with any knowledge on nutrition is replacing meals with shakes, it's just not healthy or sustainable.

I wouldn't even say most people, some might have a protein shake but it's out of laziness/cost saving than the want to be on a good diet. It's very arguable that a shake is a worse diet than any other real food source. The only good thing about any form of liquid diet, is how easy it is and how little research/cooking is needed which has huge advantages but it isn't the best way to eat.

The NHS literally prescribes 800 calorie shake diets for 3 months as already linked earlier.