I'm sick of emailin 20+ members so here it is......MATCHED BETTING by anksta

mehuk said:
Let me do some math, see if this is how it should work - going by your post:

Bet 1:

My money at Betfred - £25 W @ 1.9
My money at Betfair - £25 lay @ 2.0

Betfred wins - im up £47.50
Betfair pays - im down £50

After 1 bet, im £2.50 out of pocket.

Bet 2:
Free money at Betfred - £25 W @ 1.9
My money at Betfair - £25 lay @ 2.0

Betfred wins - im up £47.50 (SNR) - £25 = £22.50
Betfair pays - im down £50

After 2 bets, im out of pocket £27.50 + £2.50 = £30

Where am I going wrong with the maths on this?

Sorry for all the questions, feel free to give up on me :o :(


have you done those calculations in your head or in the calculator?


Do it in the calculator I think you'll find adds up different
 
Right I'm going to run through an example, exactly from the start. Some people are still struggling a bit so maybe if they see it written down all the way through and can check it they might get it.



Right, my starting amount is £125, no more no less, nobody need worry about anythin and all sums and profits will be calculated from this.


Step 1

Sign up to Quidco. Quidco is a referral site that will allow you to earn cash for signing up to the bookies (see other posts for details).

Step 2

Going through Quidco to obtain their £25 referral, signup to Betfair and enter promotional code 6WYVMKTDH, this will get you £25 in your account. Deposit £100.

Step 3

Going through Quidco to obtain their £15 referral, signup to Betfred and deposit £25

Step 4

Using the Bet Calculator, find odds on any upcoming football matches, preferably higher odds and the closer together.

e.g. Chivas USA are playing Colombus in the MLS tonight at 1am, odds 2 and 2.08 for Chivas to win at betfred and fair respectively, this bet will yield a loss 1.60, a 93% bet retention (remember you're lookin for >92%).

For this bet, you would bet £25 at betfred on Chivas, odds 2.00 and then lay (if you dont know what layin is or or how to do it on betfair then I suggest you consult fundmydegree or there is a little animation on betfair that explains it) £24.63 on Chivas not to win.

That would be your first bet.

If Chivas win, you will receive £50 at Betfred and pay out £51.23 at betfair, i.e. profit of -1.23.

If the game is a draw or Chivas lose, your 25 in Betfred will go, but you will collect £24.63 in Betfair, a profit of -37p.

Now your free bet should be sitting in your Betfred, we move on to:

Step 5


Using your free bet, find another match coming up soon, as you are now using your free bet and for Betfair this is SNR (Stake Not Returned) you should be looking for bets with high odds, preferably over 4 and as close as possible on betfair and betfred, if you're lucky enough to find one with higher odds on betfair than betfred then lucky you.

A realistic bet for this would be odds of around 4.3 on Betfred and 4.65 say on Betfair although it is quite likely with enough browsing you can find better odds. I've made these odds up because I dont have time to look for a bet right now, (I found you a qualifer!) so say these odds are on any game: Boro to beat United.

So, you would put your odds into the bet calculator, select Free Bet Stake Not Returned and this would tell you how to place your free bet:

place your £25 on betfred, making sure use my free bet/promo cash/bonus balance or whatever it says (at this point, only the freebet should be left in the account as you would have withdrawn any winnings before this).

Then, on betfair, you would lay 17.93 for Boro not to win.

So, if Boro win, you will collect 82.50 at Betfred (SNR so you wont retain the 25 you bet with) and pay out 83.40 on Betfair, i.e. a loss of 90p.

If United win/draw you will lose your free bet on Betfred, but collect £17.93 at Betfair.

Step 6

From your starting point of £125 you can calculate your winnings:

If you win at the bookies both times:

profit of -1.23 first bet, a profit of -90p second bet

If you win at Betfair both times:

profit of -37p first bet, a profit of -£7.07 second bet.

So this begs the Question, the one question you all want answering, if these are the profits your losing no matter what happens, WHERE THE **** DOES ANY MONEY COME FROM????

Well, if you go back to point 1, you started with £125 to bet with, then from the calculations above, lost £2.13 on the 1st combination, and £7.44 on the second. But remember, you had £125 of your own money AND 25 OF SOMEONE ELSE'S so your sums come from £150, not £125.

Combination 1, £150 - £2.13 = 147.87 a profit of £22.87

Combination 2, £150 - £7.44 = £142.56 a profit of £17.56

Obviously there are another 2 combinations of where you win/lose but thats just math.

Also from this it seems it is much better to win both times at the bookies, however in reality this means you have to switch money from the bookies back across to betfair etc. which can take days and slow you right down.

I hope this makes it clearer.



Also, remembering your referrals from the start, £25 for Betfair quidco, £25 for referral code in betfair and £15 for Betfred Quidco.

Thats another £65 on top of whatever you win.
 
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mehuk said:
Thanks for that - much clearer to me now... BUT ;)

1 - I want to win at Betfair not the bookies (ideally..( correct?
2 - These referral amounts, do they need to be used in bets to get money back, or can they just be withdrawn?
3 - Will a Credit Card affect the winnings by any large amount? i.e. charges

Other than that, I think I am good to go.

Many Thanks :)


1 - You want to win at betfair solely for ease, you will be using betfair for pretty much everybookie therefore you wont need to change money round.

2 - The Quidco referrals are credited to the PayPal you register with them, some take a while to process though but can be just withdrawn. The betfair referral code will be credited to your betfair account, you can just withdraw it as far as I know but in reality it will just become part of your balance.

3 - Credit Charges are upto the bookies, you will have to check their terms for details.
 
eLbot said:
Yes that's his personal referral code and it's really quite off of him to not declare it as such, that practise is against both this forums and MSE's forums rules. Whilst it would be of benefit for you to use, I'ts less beneficial than you going through quidco, who offer £25 after you deposit and wager £10 through Betfair.


I didnt think it was a secret thats my referral code, if you follow my guide you'll receive both the quidco and 20 quid, that free bet code MSE offers had expired last time I read about it.

Not being an arse or anythin but I have spent a fair whack of my time introducing people to this, I think it would be a nice favour in return for people to use my referral code as its nothin out of their pocket. Fundmydegree do not inform you that the code they tell you to enter is theirs either so they're doin the same thing.

If people dont want to use it thats upto them but I would appreciate it if a few people could. Cheers.
 
mehuk said:
Right, ive gone for it - a bit worried, but hey fingers crossed.

£25 in Betfred via QUIDCO
£100 in Betfair via QUIDCO

Bet 1
£25 @ 2.0 on Chivas
£25.13 lay @ 2.04

Net profit = -£1.13

This should then trigger my free bet at Betfred to use tomorrw. I assume this is a bit long winded, unless you can afford to run multiple sites at the same time?


sounds good mate, with odds as short as that you'll probably win at the bookies so you'll have to change money around when you're done.

Good bet though mate.

Its a bit long winded, its upto you if you want to run multiple bookies but I wouldn't advise it as it'll be quite hard to keep track and that can mean a lot of money out your account.
 
eLbot said:
Sorry, I know I came across a bit harsh but a lot of people don’t read entire threads so I felt it pertinent that every time you post it, you declare it as such. I agree that you deserve something back for the information allowing people, who want to try it, the knowledge to do so. I’m just very weary of the fact that people feel cheated unless you spell it out to them.


noones gettin cheated out of anythin, if they enter that code, they get the same 25 quid they would enterin any code, it makes no difference to them.
 
mehuk said:
did ok with the first bet, already £25 up I believe

anyway, with a SNR free bet, im struggling to get anything thats above 70%.....

thoughts?

that will todays Toronto vs Houston game @ 6 / 6.6


70% isnt so bad for SNR, if yu wanna be gettin up over the 80 mark you need to be lookin at odds > 8. Of course this will sky your liability but with odds that high you probably shouldn't max out at betfair.
 
Alex40k said:
Right i have placed two bets, £50 on Argentina to win tonight at 1.91 odds and a lay of £51.90 at 1.89. In doing so i have unlocked a free £50 bet at Coral. Fingers crossed i haven't messed up somewhere. This thread may be very profitable, thanks anksta :D .

Alex


your welcome mate, hope you are very profitable in your endeavour.

Did you use my code mate?
 
Guru said:
Is there anything to stop you rinsing all the bookies once with one card and then again with another card?

Also how much do YOU get every time someone puts your code in?

I'm thinking about doing this when I get paid :)


I get £20 once you get to 50 Betfair points, you get £20 once you've bet 20 quid. It can take a while to go get to 20 BF points if you're winning a lot at BF.
 
mehuk said:
ive doen just Betfred and sit a nice £39.95 in profit

just drew out my £50 from Betfred, leaving me with 115 ish in Betfair for my next target

Probably Coral :)


how did you do that? Betfred is a £25 fee bet SNR
 
mehuk said:
maybe my maths are wrong

but i got 50 out of Betfred - invested 25, so thats 25

currently have 115 in betfair, invested 100 - so if i pull that out, ill be on +40 ish (give or take a few pence)

:confused:


that includes your 20 bonus you got in Betfair though doesnt it?

Take me through your bet, cos if its not then it sounds like you've messed somethin up and just come out lucky.


Which is good I might add, but you wont wanna do it again. I've done it 3 times now, once on VCbet and came out with 35 quid extra, once on Bet24 and lost 70 quid and then I did it again on VCBet the other day and came out with 160 quid which I wasn't complainin about but I could have lost 200 so very glad it went my way.
 
mehuk said:
yeah betfair credited me with £25 - so is that not for keeps then?

im assuming as i am gambling that amount, that it will just incorporate into my fund and then come with me when i leave :o


no you are right, thats fair enough.

If you're counting everythin though, you should be up more than that by now shouldnt you? Have you been through Quidco?
 
mehuk said:
yeah i did QUIDCO, used your code and went gambling :)

How do i check what funds I have in QUIDCO though? Ive not given them my card details - but did register.


when you log in, check your My Earnings bit, they should be totalled up in there.

You register your PayPal with them and then once its verified and things, they take their £5 a year membership fee out and then give you the rest :)
 
If everyone who's started could post their running totals then it would be cool to keep track of how much OCUK has done the bookies for.

I'll go first cos I reckon I'll be winning* :D I think my total went up over the 650 mark this weekend.





casinos dont count
 
very good guys, Wardie you should be fine as long you follow the steps, the only thing you need to be good at is spottin odds close together, and thats like 6.5 and 7 so its not too hard.


Keep it up, I might start adding a running total together and post it in the OP
 
mehuk said:
2nd bookies - gone with BET24 ..... 4 times through (at 1.5+), though is SR

deposit £30, get £30 free

First bet....@ 91% - £27.54 profit

probably be whittled down to £18-20 by the end then :(

still its money for nothing


mate, bet longer odds, as in much longer, if you have to wager the bonus through more than once, try and win at betfair i.e. lose at the bookies, bookies dont refund your bonus if you lose it but you'll still have it in betfair. :p
 
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chris06 said:
Ive done Betfred, Coral and totesport so far and find myself a total of £54.16 up. (not including quidco)

Does that sound about right?


did you use the referral code? If you did thats another 20 :)
 
mehuk said:
i dont get that... if i have to run through £30 x4 times, surely its best i win at the bookies to keep it there? until the final bet?


no, go back to the principle, your coming out with the same minus a negligible loss no matter where you win so if you win at BF you just get the bonus in there. If you win it in one theres less loss.

Yeah?
 
mehuk said:
right im at 0.00 at QUIDCO

is this because i dont have any bank details registered there?


It can take a few days to track but you might wanna register your PayPal to try and speed things up.
 
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