Inconsiderate & slow drivers

[MooMoo444]

Tailgaters are my gripe. There's absolutely no need to be sat on the rear bumper when I'm doing the speed limit. People like that a seriously dangerous and often go for ridiculous overtakes at the worst possible times.

I love those guys. Just slow down a few mph more and watch them get irate in the mirror

 

[mrk]

You are indeed hanging course for the initial movement out from behind the car you wish to overtake.

However you are then changing course again, to move back in front of said car.

An overtake is two separate movements, and you follow the mirror, signal, maneuver for each separate movement.

Movement one, from following car you wish to overtake, mirror, signal right, maneuver out from behind the car and accelerate to overtake.

Movement two, once past, mirror to check you are clear and there is room, signal left, then maneuver back into original lane you started from.

That’s pretty much it. Whilst the section on overtaking may not be specific about signalling when moving back in, the rule of the road is MSM, and changing lane is a manoeuvre.

Whether it benefits the vehicle being overtaken or not doesn’t matter, nobody has 360 degree vision, and it’s always good practice to indicate anyway, it costs nothing, and harms nobody. if it ends up benefiting nobody else on the road at that moment in time.

Edit*
This is all in ref to a motorway overtake of course with three or more lanes in action.

 

[Basher]

That’s pretty much it. Whilst the section on overtaking may not be specific about signalling when moving back in, the rule of the road is MSM, and changing lane is a manoeuvre.

Whether it benefits the vehicle being overtaken or not doesn’t matter, nobody has 360 degree vision, and it’s always good practice to indicate anyway, it costs nothing, and harms nobody. if it ends up benefiting nobody else on the road at that moment in time.

Edit*
This is all in ref to a motorway overtake of course with three or more lanes in action.

Yeah doesn't bother me so much on motorways, my original comment was clearly about single carriageways, though

 

[mrk]

Ah I didn't read properly then, so my bad!

 

[cuke2u]

Funny how the world is full of less than perfect people. To be honest if someone driving carefully on a 'A' road annoys you then then stop driving...

 

[bobbarley]

Funny how the world is full of less than perfect people. To be honest if someone driving carefully dangerously on a 'A' road annoys you then then they should stop driving...

fixed that for you.

 

[Phemo]

Had it this morning on the A339 up from Alton to Basingstoke. It's not a particularly windy/twisty road and there are sections with long straights and generally good visibility yet there was still someone up front in a Corsa doing anything between 30-40mph the whole way through the 60 and 50mph stretches. They also dabbed the brakes at the slightest hint of a corner and even at times where there was absolutely no reason to do anything at all.

In my view if you're driving so slowly that a truck is right up your chuff while you're in a small car then something is very wrong. Unless you've got a good reason to be driving slower - like a space saver wheel on or something wrong with the car etc, but you just know that these people are blatantly just crap drivers.

Now granted, it probably added something like 3 minutes to my entire journey so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I just don't get the need to dab the brakes every few seconds for no reason, nor do I get why you wouldn't at least drive at something near the speed limit when it's a long stretch with good visibility in good conditions.

What also annoys me are the people on motorways who just can't anticipate anything. Another example from this morning - I was on the A3 which is a 2 lane dual carriageway at the point I was at and I was in the left lane with a car and a lorry ahead of me. I held back a bit as I figured the car would obviously move out to overtake the lorry since they were going faster but they didn't, so I moved out into lane 2. At this point the car had to slam their brakes on to avoid going into the lorry. I just don't get how you can be such a crap driver that you leave making a decision to the last possible second, especially when being given plenty of opportunity to move out. I should be thankful that they didn't do the classic indicate then immediately pull out trick though.

 

[esoteric]

I hate the stretch I do on the A27 on my way to and home from work. Left lane someone is doing 60, "ug.." so I move right 1 lane to do 70 and then someone from the further 2 right lanes move into my lane and do 60mph! I can't win. Then once I'm on the A3M and I need to get into the left lane and there is a train of cars coming up the slip road it becomes a kafuffle because I often can't get ahead of them because someone is doing 60 and cars are backing up and so they can't move over.

I don't mind if someone wants to do 60mph but I do mind when they do it around me. On my morning journey there is a minibus that does 50mph and causes a long tail back. I started leaving 5mins earlier to avoid him.

 

[Rich1988]

If you come across a road blocker pootling at 50% of the speed limit, the only way to overtake is using shock and awe. Exhaust baffles open, drop a few cogs, ensure you have a run up, ensure 8000 rpm plus at the overtake point, ensure change as you pull back in with full sports burble, pull away at pace so any action they chose is an irrelevance. This is morting law handed down for generations.

This, my exhaust bangs loudly on overrun at high revs because of the map so its always a good way to wake people up!

 

[ttaskmaster]

No I just think he's genuinely that incompetent a driver or an absolute buffoon.

And I hope you get stuck behind me one day, as I pootle along a few mph below the limit like some retarded snail...

I have mostly been responding to the quote:

There seems to be a craze at the moment with people generally doing 5/10mph under the speed limit. It's just vexing.

So tell me again how I'm such a **** driver...

That is the question however, who's decision is it to decide what is safe?

Other drivers, apparently...

Indeed, if there were no speed limits (Derestricted like it used to be) How would you expect people to chose an appropriate speed?

Initially it'd be bedlam, but eventually common sense would prevail and people would judge the speed of corners and things for their own selves and err on the side of caution. They did this with a few corners round here - Signs went up telling people the maximum speed they could take XYZ corner at, so most took that as a target and forgot about varying conditions. After they took the sign back down, people started being more careful in adverse conditions...

A few continued to take it like cocks, but they'd have done that regardless.

1. Coming to a complete stop/crawl at every roundabout even though there is nothing else coming.

Probably looking twice for motorcycles or something stupid like that, especially with the large A-pillars on modern cars... How dare a biker let themselves be hidden like that, right?

First of all you admit you have to brake suddenly at speed cameras because of 'how fast you are often going',

Who said anything about 'suddenly'?
I'm usually going over the speed limit, but I don't need to brake suddenly.
I do drop a few mph below the limit because I ride an old bike and don't fully trust the speedo calibration, and because a few are cited at such hazardous points that I'd rather have that extra speed gap to give me more focus on what's going on around instead of on my speed.

then you respond to my post that I will wrap my car round a tree because I admit I may safely overtake a car doing 40 in a 60 limit

Well, since you assume you can decide what's safe for me better than me myself, why not. I'm sure you have a clear view of the road with me right in front of you, so do what you like, mate...

You will never get a speed camera ticket going below 35mph in 30 (I've been going through them for 25 years) so calm down you don't have to panic and drop to 27mph.

I can rely on you to prove that in court for me, yes?
So all them getting done for 33 in a 30 shouldn't have gotten tickets, yes?

 

[mrk]

Actually you can get snapped doing under 35 in a 30.

I got a speed awareness course in my early years of driving for doing 32 in a 30.

This camera: https://goo.gl/maps/HFE8t1EJvzt

Granted that was the only time I've ever received a snap in the 15+ years of driving

 

[Fr0dders]

other pet hates of mine observed on my morning commute today:

3) People who brake approaching a speed camera in a 60mph NSL doing 40mph. WHY ???!!!
4) People who refuse to enter roundabouts because there is traffic on it, even when that traffic is clearly going to turn off at the turn off before yours. These people need an empty roundabout because they just can't hack the pressure of having to move into a gap on a roundabout. How do these people pass their tests !!!

 

[kindai]

4) People who refuse to enter roundabouts because there is traffic on it, even when that traffic is clearly going to turn off at the turn off before yours. These people need an empty roundabout because they just can't hack the pressure of having to move into a gap on a roundabout. How do these people pass their tests !!!

Ill one up you with, people who stop at a roundabout when theres NOBODY ON IT.

 

[Dis86]

Ill one up you with, people who stop at a roundabout when theres NOBODY ON IT.

Have you not read what ttask said? He has to stop to double check that there's not an invisible biker there. Because he can't do that on the approach and drive at the same time.

God Kindai, how embarrassing for you. You bike killer.

 

[bobbarley]

I've another pet hate to add to the list, and this one goes high on the list.

Roundabouts with two lanes where the person in the left hand lane cuts over both lanes crossing the roundabout, blocking off or potentially hitting anyone using the right lane to turn right.

 

[Orionaut]

Have you not read what ttask said? He has to stop to double check that there's not an invisible biker there. Because he can't do that on the approach and drive at the same time.

God Kindai, how embarrassing for you. You bike killer.

Consider this vid clip.

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/...756350772/640x360_MP4_2889428249756350772.mp4

You can actually see exactly what happened, the driver "carefully" checked to his right to ensure the road was clear so thta he didnt have to stop at the junction.

Unfortunately this meant that he failed to see the cyclist right in front of him.

One can only see clearly a zone about the size of an old penny held at arms length.

There is a zone to one side the size of a dustbin lid held at arms length where one cannot see at all.

Our apparent 180 vision is a myth, an internal VR created by the brains image processing.

This is why SMIDSYS happen, people just check a quick glance, but without actually looking.

 

[Dis86]

Consider this vid clip.

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/...756350772/640x360_MP4_2889428249756350772.mp4

You can actually see exactly what happened, the driver "carefully" checked to his right to ensure the road was clear so thta he didnt have to stop at the junction.

Unfortunately this meant that he failed to see the cyclist right in front of him.

One can only see clearly a zone about the size of an old penny held at arms length.

There is a zone to one side the size of a dustbin lid held at arms length where one cannot see at all.

Our apparent 180 vision is a myth, an internal VR created by the brains image processing.

This is why SMIDSYS happen, people just check a quick glance, but without actually looking.

So what you have in that clip is clearly a moron and probably under the influence especially given their behaviour. It is...believe it or not...possible to look in more than one place. You don't just have to focus on one point for your entire journey. You can look to the right and straight ahead and at all points in between.

 

[kindai]

Have you not read what ttask said? He has to stop to double check that there's not an invisible biker there. Because he can't do that on the approach and drive at the same time.

God Kindai, how embarrassing for you. You bike killer.

As long as its push Bikes im doing the world a favor


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3...Zmgj0ss8Gb29sC5QzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

This is the worst, sometimes exactly like this photo, stop, look right, pull off... no need for it at all.

 

[Orionaut]

So what you have in that clip is clearly a moron and probably under the influence especially given their behaviour. It is...believe it or not...possible to look in more than one place. You don't just have to focus on one point for your entire journey. You can look to the right and straight ahead and at all points in between.

But only one place at a time.

Driver in clip will have looked ahead (Clear) then glanced right (Clear) gone for it, CRUMP.

When you flick your eyes from one point to another, your brain blanks out the image during the process. Otherwise you would experience "Camera shake" all the time.

If an Elephant was at point B while you are flicking between A and C, you would likely miss it.

Roundabouts are often cluttered with street furniture, if the angle is right a small road sign (Or even the support column) can hide a vehicle if you just happen to look when your eye, obstacle and vehicle line up.

Sure, this doesn't happen very often so most of the time people just having a quick glance will get away with it. But when they dont, you have a SMIDSY.

You also, at night, have to watch out for Ninja Cyclists, and those you DO have to actively look for.

 

[Dis86]

But only one place at a time.

Driver in clip will have looked ahead (Clear) then glanced right (Clear) gone for it, CRUMP.

When you flick your eyes from one point to another, your brain blanks out the image during the process. Otherwise you would experience "Camera shake" all the time.

If an Elephant was at point B while you are flicking between A and C, you would likely miss it.

Roundabouts are often cluttered with street furniture, if the angle is right a small road sign (Or even the support column) can hide a vehicle if you just happen to look when your eye, obstacle and vehicle line up.

Sure, this doesn't happen very often so most of the time people just having a quick glance will get away with it. But when they dont, you have a SMIDSY.

You also, at night, have to watch out for Ninja Cyclists, and those you DO have to actively look for.

But you don't have to stop to do any of that. Can you not drive and look at the same time?