Indian Grand Prix 2011, Buddh International Circuit - Race 17/19

arknor said:
even if the wing doesnt pass the rules you can do whatever you like in practice sessions ?
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You can run what you like in testing, which at the moment is pre season only. Anything you run on a race weekend, in any session, needs to pass the FIA tests.

Wether they invent new rules or ban things on 'safety grounds' after you have run them on a Friday, is up to them :p (the BMW wings at Canada a few years back, for example)

Demon said:
It's been brought up many times, but since they used video evidence to ban flexy rear wings (IIRC), why can't they do the same for front wings..
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They used video evidence to show there might be a problem, then changed the rear wing stress tests to test for it.

Exactly what they have done with the front wings. The RBR was shown to flex, the FIA changed the test, the RBR wing still passed.

Its legal.
 
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The wider rule is no more than 5mm deflection at any point in the weekend, that certainly doesn't have to stay.
No you are not legal if you pass testing, although that's what FIA are currently doing. The rules are very clear and you can still break rules while passing clearing.
So it is the same as team orders.
 
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Skeeter said:
They used video evidence to show there might be a problem, then changed the rear wing stress tests to test for it.

Exactly what they have done with the front wings. The RBR was shown to flex, the FIA changed the test, the RBR wing still passed.

Its legal.
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Didn't a rear wing still pass the revised tests on one car and still get banned or told to remove it because it was against the spirit of the rules??

Just stick wear blocks on the wing ends, tell the teams how big they will be next season and let them run the risk of striking the ground. Just like the wear plank on the bottom they will have to raise the height or get a penalty.

Until they do something else it's a pointless discussion because they are legal. If they don't care they won't revise the rules.
 
Done some digging to jog the memory and indeed it was ferrari that built a rear wing that on video was flexing. This passed all tests and increased tests. Other teams started to copy and the FIA stepped in when teams began spending too much copying.

"Yet again it was Ferrari that unsurprisingly had also developed a flexing rear wing that would bend backwards slightly to reduce drag at higher speeds. Few races later the upper element moved downward under the air pressure and created a rear wing that was actually stalling since the slot gap closed. Although several other teams tried to copy the system in order to gain top speeds they never really match the stunning Ferrari. Among the copycats were BMW Sauber, Renault and Midland. As soon as it became obvious teams spent large amounts of money, the FIA decided once again to ban the system and introduce a mandatory gap spacer as displayed in the image (on a Toyota). As of Canada, it became clear this was becoming more of an FIA season than any other Formula One season before."

http://www.f1technical.net/development/40


Strange they haven't applied the same to the front wing as teams spend a fortune on those.
 
Only Ferrari have managed to copy them so far. Wait for a few more, and we might see it banned.

Or a few more teams who haven't figured it out complaining to the FIA.
 
Currently catching up on some of the practise session track action. Does look a nice track. Shows what a massive difference some height changes can make to a track when compared to most of Tilke's other tracks :)
 
@F1Zone Photographers banned from T10-12 in India after one hopped over the barrier to snap Maldonado's beached car. Bet he's a popular chap.
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I saw that during the free practice, I couldn't believe it. :o
 
Spunkey said:
I don't think so, as from what Paul Hembrey is saying on twitter in answer to the drivers saying that the hard tyre is too hard and doesn't have any grip, is that Pirelli basically had to stick a finger in the air to predict the surface of the track as it wasn't laid when they had to construct the tyres. This means they went a bit conservative on tyre life, so most likely a 1/2 stop race, with tyre wear only being caused by sliding due to lack of grip.

I can see this playing in to Saubers hands with their 'stay out until you can see tyre canvas' strategy, so they may be on for a good few points.
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ok fair enough - thank you for that , yes I then concur about Sauber doing well
 
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