Indian Grand Prix 2011, Buddh International Circuit - Race 17/19

Mr Ecclestone kindly called meeting with commentators and agreed to fix comm box situation for next year. Definitely like this track though - Brundle
 
FIA tests are on Thursdays.

The rule is enforced through testing. Testing real world conditions is very difficult, as the wing has a large load spread across it which is difficult to replicate with the application of weights. The FIA do the best they can within the limits of testing the cars at the track.

Ideally, yes, they should stick a full size model of every car in a wind tunnel with a moving floor to accurately measure the deflection at speed. But this is just impossible, so they use the 50KG (I think) weight on the ends of the wings with maximum deflection test as it's the nearest they can get.

But as has been said before, its the same rules for everyone. Each team can develop their own if they wanted. No one team is being 'allowed' to break the rules.

Its legal, it passes the tests, it can race, good on Ferrari for figuring it out. Well done guys.
 
Do the FIA actually test each and every car on a Thurs? (for every rule?) any time I look at the scrutineering reports it seems random.
 
Skeeter said:
FIA tests are on Thursdays.

The rule is enforced through testing. Testing real world conditions is very difficult, as the wing has a large load spread across it which is difficult to replicate with the application of weights. The FIA do the best they can within the limits of testing the cars at the track.

Ideally, yes, they should stick a full size model of every car in a wind tunnel with a moving floor to accurately measure the deflection at speed. But this is just impossible, so they use the 50KG (I think) weight on the ends of the wings with maximum deflection test as it's the nearest they can get.

But as has been said before, its the same rules for everyone. Each team can develop their own if they wanted. No one team is being 'allowed' to break the rules.

Its legal, it passes the tests, it can race, good on Ferrari for figuring it out. Well done guys.
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That's not an issue, but it's just like team rules. There is maximum deflection rules that apply across the weekend. Certain wings like the Ferrari clearly break these.
So they need to remove the rule, or change the test. I'm sure they could do something with the tests. If they know a wing flexes they can see how to apply weight to it, for it to flex and as such see how to best applie weights.

Or simply remove the rule, like they did for team orders. Would make far more sense.
 
Mr Men said:
Do the FIA actually test each and every car on a Thurs? (for every rule?) any time I look at the scrutineering reports it seems random.
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No, I don't think they do, just like the weight testing during Qualifying, I think its random. They just wouldn't have the time to test every car.

But the ever present chance that your car could be tested and banned should be enough to stop people trying to run illegal parts, to some extent :p
 
AcidHell2 said:
Or simply remove the rule, like they did for team orders. Would make far more sense.
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I'd imagine the rule is there to stop the wing being made too bendy so that it is unlikely to break after too much flexing? Just guessing.

There is also the fact that the bendy wings seem rather susceptible to unsettling the car when following closely behind another and stepping out from the wake of the slipstream - as witnessed in the Vettel/Button incident as Spa last year, and the same thing was evident on the onboard video from Alonsos car in FP.
 
AcidHell2 said:
That's not an issue, but it's just like team rules. There is maximum deflection rules that apply across the weekend. Certain wings like the Ferrari clearly break these.
So they need to remove the rule, or change the test. I'm sure they could do something with the tests. If they know a wing flexes they can see how to apply weight to it, for it to flex and as such see how to best applie weights.

Or simply remove the rule, like they did for team orders. Would make far more sense.
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The deflection rule on front wings is part of the wider ban on moveable aero parts. It has to stay.

There was a great article on this somewhere from when the RBR wing first appeared that explained it. Basically the front wings produce something like 250kg of load accross the entire surface area of the wing. Different parts of the wing generate different amounts of load, and so it is very very very difficult to apply the full 250kg of load to a wing using weights in the same manner that they would in real life under high speed air flow. You cant just dump 1 250kg weight on the middle, or one 125kg weight on each end. It would require an in depth knowledge of the workings of each individual wing to be able to replicate the real world conditions while static using weights.

Therefore, the FIA have to do the best they can. They have already increased the weight from something like 20kg to 50kg following the RBR wing.

Its different to the Team Orders rule. The ban on team orders rule became unenforceable when Ferrari showed that you could break ti without penalty. This rule is entirely enforceable through the application of the testing process. You pass the test, your legal, you fail, your not.

As always, there is no issue with the rule, the issue is with the test. But, in the good old rock and hard place situation, making an acurate test is almost impossible.

But its the same for everyone, so what's the issue?
 
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It's been brought up many times, but since they used video evidence to ban flexy rear wings (IIRC), why can't they do the same for front wings..

arknor said:
because mclaren didnt do the wing yet as soon as lewis straps it on its going to get banned
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:D
 
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