Indian Grand Prix 2012, New Delhi - Race 17/20

Points for quali and reverse race would be interesting

No q1, 2 3, i have no idea how or if it would work, but would be worth a tryiI think or trial
 
The current qualifying set-up was a revelation. There's no need to tinker with it by mixing the order up. This is meant to be the pinnacle of motorsports. Leave the reverse grids to the tin-tops.

What needs to change is the increasing number of Tilke circuits. Decent races continue to happen on the proper tracks, but on these tracks you're relying on weather, reliability or tyres to make the race interesting. It's not a coincidence that the best recent circuit on the calendar is the only one not designed by Tilke's company.

That we're at the stage where he's decided that a 20 metre wide track isn't already wide enough (hence the added width in the braking zones on his newest tracks) really takes the ****. Spa must be one of the narrowest non-street tracks on the calendar. It wasn't the width that made racing at the Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport Indycar track interesting, it was the bumps and surface making the drivers really work.
 
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What's all this rubbish talk of reverse grids?

It works as it is, no need to play around with it again.

Your forgetting that qualifying isn't the problem.
 
Mike306 said:
Your forgetting that qualifying isn't the problem.
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tbf thats exactly what was said by a number of people on here how ever many years ago when they tinkered around with qualifying the first time when it was a full non-stop hour of quali (ie no enforced 5 minute breaks in the middle)
 
Here's another question: whenever Tilke tracks are spoken about, on the telly, they speak of them very highly. I've never heard a bad word about them. However, on this forum, Tilke tracks are spoken about in a very negative way.

Something is not tallying.

The drivers in general, appear to be like the Tilke tracks.
 
It isn't his fault as such, more that the regulations mean they have to have a mile of run off. The layout of India is pretty good and challenging by the looks of it, but there is too much astro turf. Should just be kerb, bit of grass then gravel/tarmac after it.
 
Blurgh quali has deemed this a race to miss, quite like the track, first of the Tilke he's bothered to use the hills around the place but its too redbull favouring
 
Yup clearly we are the only team to have found this loophole. Nobody else is doing this, just us i think.
 
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Yes exactly, see the FIA stewards dont get quite as good a viewpoint as this forum so cant pull the car apart as well as you lot. They should really sign up to OCUK :)
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Could certainly shake things up towards the end of a race.
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Shake things up how? Red Bull get it most of the time, Red Bull have the best car, they'd just win the title earlier and put less effort into the final races potentially. If the other cars know the best car will get the fastest lap then why would they bother trying?


Ultimately F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of the SPORT as someone said... sport without true competition isn't really sport though. That's the problem, a huge portion of the races are merely qualifying, then a start to finish procession, the races are becoming complete bore fests. Woo, pit stops so the cars appear to be shaken up in order slightly, but it doesn't matter.

How many people have actually won the lead off another car, rather than gained it when the guy infront failed? I honestly don't know, Hamilton won at Canada and iirc Vettel was on pole, one of the few races the top three cars remained close all race and Hamilton managed to pass vettel, then again only a massive, monumental mistake by Ferrari and Red bull(pretty much the only one all season) let some guys behind catch and pass them. Had they pitted it would have been 1-2-3 for what, 2/3rd's of the race, with one position change and no real attacking beyond the Hamilton pass the entire race(I also can't be 100% sure, did he pass either on track, or through a pitstop?).

I want to see RACING, we rarely see it right now, its a racing series, there is something wrong with that surely. Qualifying is a timetrial, no overtaking, no defensive driving, nothing. The race, not much overtaking either, very few changes in the realistically important positions except through car damage/failure.

Anyway, like I said, do one race, a 21st race one year, make it not part of the title, make it a big cash prize(and several smaller ones) make it an "event" so that loads of extra people watch, if its epic, then its epic, if its not, whats the real downside, it ends up as boring as a current race?

10 years ago how many times did we see one car lock out the front of the grid and decide its not worth watching, because reliability is too good, because overtaking is too difficult, because tyres dictate everyones pace, because the leaders are cruising and you can guess the result? Even if say Vettel doesn't win, do we think Alonso will come through the grid and pass 4 people, or do we think in a processional race Vettel might have a car failure, and everyone just drives on and if we're really really lucky, someone might have a bad pitstop and bam, overtake number 2.

I don't care about the championship, I want to watch non boring races, where top drivers show their skills, not where all drivers are driving well within their limit, within the cars limit and to the limit the tyres can take, Vettel will win the title and most of his points will come from cruising around.
Can you say adrenaline rush.........
 
Sparky-F1 said:
Yes exactly, see the FIA stewards dont get quite as good a viewpoint as this forum so cant pull the car apart as well as you lot. They should really sign up to OCUK :)
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We've been at the point for donkeys years that if the FIA actually punished all the teams for all the bits they cheat on.... all but the cars who can't afford to cheat would be DQ'd from the championship. Sport is corrupt, any sport with money involved is corrupt. Lets say Red Bull were cheating, and the FIA knew and can prove it easily, what do they gain from DQ'ing Red Bull, less competition(such as it is), less drivers, less viewers, less sponsors, less money.... less money = let them all get away with it to a certain degree.
 
ferrari have had that chamber for ages.

have to say though this season was great until about three races ago and its been coming all year and i didnt bother watching the last three races :P, i've always been interested in the technical side of f1 and still am but watching the race weekend seems a bit pointless now although i do wish i'd placed some bets!
 
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