Indian Grand Prix 2012, New Delhi - Race 17/20

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drunkenmaster said:
I really do want to see a race with points for qualy and points for the race, and reverse the grid. Red Bulls starting at the very back with everyone fighting to get to the front through an entire pack and defending/overtaking all the way through the race would be kinda, awesome.
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I question regarding reverse grids: what is to prevent the faster cars (RBR for example), from putting in a slow lap, on purpose, so that they can qualify at the front of the (reverse) grid?
 
I don't think it will matter if points are given for quli and reverse grid. Fastest and most reliable car will win everytime. Unless fat john is next to you in the grid:p
 
Is it just me, or can anyone else hear the Red Bulls exhaust sounding similar to how it did back when they were blowing the diffuser (2011)?
 
sunama said:
I question regarding reverse grids: what is to prevent the faster cars (RBR for example), from putting in a slow lap, on purpose, so that they can qualify at the front of the (reverse) grid?
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As I understood it, reverse grids were generally done by race series who have multiple races per day.

Race 1 grid is set by qualification

Race 2 grid is set by Race 1 results

Generally, it would be Race 2 that had a reverse grid, or at least variant of the idea.
 
Kenai said:
As I understood it, reverse grids were generally done by race series who have multiple races per day.

Race 1 grid is set by qualification

Race 2 grid is set by Race 1 results

Generally, it would be Race 2 that had a reverse grid, or at least variant of the idea.
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Can be, or you can just do it that Qualy/race get points. If you're crap you can give up all points in qualy and go for a race win. However the most you'd ever get is half the points available. If you get pole, and come up through the field and get a decent number of points, you'd always beat someone who fluffed qualy and went for race points only.

Thing is, they are all viable strategys, it means everyone on a different strategy, some people going loads of short ultra fast stints, some going long, and everyone who wants maximum points doing the best they can.

Fact is, while Merc for instance might not be the best car this season to go for pole and a race win, Red bull have a car that might well be capable of getting max points, so they'd go for max points. Ultimately what if you don't last the race distance because of a failure, if you gave up qualy points you get nothing.

You'd want to tinker with points, pole and then getting from 24th to 11th and getting nothing would suck, so 20 points places even if its 50 points for 1st and 1 point for 20th, means there is something for EVERY driver to fight for in each session. No more peeing around doing one sector in Q3, because getting a real 6th instead of 10th would mean a bunch of points.

Likewise though there is a lot of cars to come through, slowest at the front means the bunch would stay pretty packed together.

Meh, nothing stopping F1 doing a feature race with odd rules once a year. See how it goes, could suck, could be epic. Ultimately watching the top 6-8 in a 50-70lap procession is becoming less and less entertaining as the cars become more aero influenced and harder and harder to overtake.

Hell do a once a season race with a big enough winning pot to make entering a car worthwhile(or just make it mandatory, Bernie can get away with almost anything) and do it as non championship effecting. Ultimately F1 runs when there is money to be made, I'm pretty sure if you did a reverse grid the fans would tune in at least once to see what happened, maybe more than for any other race of the season(again at least the first time) meaning advertising is sorted, race winnings are sorted, cost to enter for the teams becomes worthwhile, there isn't really any reason for anyone to say no, ultimately teams are in it for the exposure and money and a feature race could be a huge money spinner. Even if it failed as a race so many people would watch to see if it was great or not. If it failed, bin it, if its epic, do it again and maybe consider some changes to the championship format.

The sport needs something, one constructor out engineering each other and a procession from start to finish off pole is getting old, really really old. While cars are getting harder and harder to overtake, one of the most obvious "fixes" is put the fastest cars at the back.

EDIT:- if you had the 107% rule in qualifying which meant anyone outside of it would start at the back behind anyone with proper times it would mean everyone would have to try in qualifying or risk being right at the back and maintains the safety of dangerously slow cars not leading the back, that would work pretty well actually.
 
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