Indian Grand Prix 2012, New Delhi - Race 17/20

75 points behind.
75 to win - Hamilton needs Vettel not to score at all and Alonso and Webber to score very few. Then Hamilton could win the championship on countback.

Highly unlikely, but mathematically still possible.

If anyone believes that the four drivers ahead of him are going to fail to finish every race and he's going to win them all then they are SERIOUSLY deluded.

Sunama - I don't mind waiting until it's mathematically impossible for Hamilton to win the title. It's probably a billion-to-one shot that he will though :p
 
This is the bit thats a little confusing (for me at least).

Simply because they should use the same basic rule for engines and for gearboxes and yet they dont appear to (because there is a penalty for fitting another gearbox - whether its old or new - when they seem to be able to swap engines throughout the weekend upto the start of quali).

This is how it has appeared for a while anyway.

I know the gb has to last concurrent / continuous races - but the engines can be swapped and changed.

You can swap gearboxes throughout the weekend till quali as well, not entirely sure what the rules are on it. I forget who was talking about a bad gear box, Button in P2 maybe, but said it didn't matter as its just in for quali the one for race should be fine.

I have no idea what the actual rules are on the gearbox, is one supposed to last the entire season unless it breaks in race you can get a new one for "free" or if you need a new one outside the race you get a penalty? Or is there one for each engine or something then the penalty on top, I have no idea what the overall rules are for it.

If anyone believes that the four drivers ahead of him are going to fail to finish every race and he's going to win them all then they are SERIOUSLY deluded.

Sunama - I don't mind waiting until it's mathematically impossible for Hamilton to win the title. It's probably a billion-to-one shot that he will though :p

I wouldn't let him double down that £3 at those odds though, just in case ;)
 
Didn't watch the race, disappointed by the result. Vettel going to run away with the title now i guess.
This is awesome :eek:

That needs a slow no gif.

Impressive. Bundle Ran off a little list of things Hamilton had to do before taking off the wheel and after putting it back on.
 
That needs a slow no gif.

Impressive. Bundle Ran off a little list of things Hamilton had to do before taking off the wheel and after putting it back on.

I'm fairly sure the list, in over excited fashion from Brundle was break, put in neutral, remove wheel, put wheel on, put in 1st.

Or, not a huge amount extra, it was impressive, the most impressive thing being he lined up the car, slowing down and started to take the wheel off before he'd actually stopped.... would have been something to watch if he'd not lined it up right or the car decided to without wheel, go into gear or something mental, see him going down the pitlane with no steering wheel. :p


That takes some supreme balls to take off the wheel before you're stopped, be that certain you've got it perfect, was pretty good.

Just a shame he didn't have the car for enough of the year, at this stage assuming Mclaren don't have something awesome for the last three races to beat Red Bull or at least be truly competitive then the Mclaren mistakes while costly, are unlikely to have made an overall difference to the drivers title, though he's further down than he should be and constructors as well maybe.

If Mclaren suddenly have the best car on the grid for the next three races and he wins all 3, then you could say that the Mclaren screw ups, bad pitstops and stupid strategy could well have cost him the title, but I highly doubt that now.

I think Whitmarsh, though I can't find it, said in some interview that the point Hamilton won last week was the best drive he's seen and the best won point ever at Mclaren. I always thought Hamilton was awesome but seeing him manhandle that car into points last week was truly epic and even Whitmarsh has said exactly how truly brilliant it was.

People have said Alonso has done well with an undriveable car... he's done well with a slightly uncompetitive car, that drive last week was undriveable, it was the best drive of the season in my book, fishtailing down every straight, still going full speed into corners and holding off a really very good Kimi is just epic.
 
That takes some supreme balls to take off the wheel before you're stopped, be that certain you've got it perfect, was pretty good..

Lol what, he is about 5m absolute maximum under breaking from the box when he puts his hand behind the wheel to start to release it. That doesn't take balls, he will be braking in a straight line as he's done 5 million times already in a pit box.

It's more balls for the man on the front jack wondering in fear, knowing how limited Hamilton is in the brain department if he can manage to remember to continue to brake when pulling the wheel away.

Come on who here couldn't hit a quick release in the last 5m while stopping from 60 miles an hour in a straight line.
 
Lol what, he is about 5m absolute maximum under breaking from the box when he puts his hand behind the wheel to start to release it. That doesn't take balls, he will be braking in a straight line as he's done 5 million times already in a pit box.

It's more balls for the man on the front jack wondering in fear, knowing how limited Hamilton is in the brain department if he can manage to remember to continue to brake when pulling the wheel away.

Come on who here couldn't hit a quick release in the last 5m while stopping from 60 miles an hour in a straight line.

Stopping power and speed an F1 car is going when it takes 5 metres to stop is a bit different to going 10mph and slaming the brakes on your average road car.

Likewise, how often do you put it into neutral 5 metres before stopping, how often do you stop in that short a space from that fast, meaning you're being pushed forward and instead you are pulling the wheel backwards rather than bracing against it. How often do drivers miss their marks by a few inches, how often do drivers make mistakes when they have more things to think about than normal, what happens if he's missed his breaking point by 2 metres, can't brace himself pushing against the wheel, hits the jack, or aimed wrong and was going to hit one of the front pit crew, etc, etc.

They are frequently several inches out, occasionally a couple ft out, every now and then they stop at the wrong pits(Hamilton is the brain dead one, button went to the wrong box... :p ). There are a dozen things that can go wrong at every pits, and taking your wheel off before you're stopped takes balls.
 
Come on who here couldn't hit a quick release in the last 5m while stopping from 60 miles an hour in a straight line.

I've got a quick release steering wheel on my Westfield and I'm not going to try it!

I agree with prev poster - takes some gumption to do it.
 
Lol what, he is about 5m absolute maximum under breaking from the box when he puts his hand behind the wheel to start to release it. That doesn't take balls, he will be braking in a straight line as he's done 5 million times already in a pit box.

It's more balls for the man on the front jack wondering in fear, knowing how limited Hamilton is in the brain department if he can manage to remember to continue to brake when pulling the wheel away.

Come on who here couldn't hit a quick release in the last 5m while stopping from 60 miles an hour in a straight line.

That last part is cringeworthy
 
he's moving his hand in before he stops but it looks to me that he just timed it well and triggers the release mechanism the moment the car is stopped.
 
So I wander in here to find people eagerly discussing the intricacies of changing a steering wheel during a pit stop.

Really was a boring race wasn't it.
 
Watched the highlights from getting in. What a MEH race, it's been designed with DRS in mind and as such is stupidly boring with it.

Should have turned DRS off or made it open for the whole lap to try and make something happen. Bernie might have been on to something with sprinklers or guns mounted on the cars. Maybe get some dinosaurs on the track to attack a few cars.

Least there's a few good races left to make things ok.
 
Problem is, watching the Sky interview with Bernie, it looks like F1 is going to be going to more and more of these Tilke drome boring races where nobody turns up to watch, while loosing a bunch of European circuits :(
 
They really are boring tracks, no history and half empty grandstands, But hey it's where the money is right? You would think at the grand old age of 82 he would stop chasing the money so hard sit back and just enjoy himself, not that anyone who takes over will be any different I guess. Do you think the drivers actually enjoy these tracks? I've always wondered that, But you never hear a driver say "For sure we race here but it's a god awful track".
 
Bernie's turning F1 into a joke with these circuits, some are pretty good (Malaysia).. others are rubbish (Abu Dhabi).

All Bernie is interested in is money, European circuits are much better when everything is considered. Better crowds, better racing.
Circuits with huge run-off areas are an absolute bore-fest, most of them anyway! It encourages rubbish driving as opposed to on the edge stuff in places like Monaco.
 
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