Indonesia Executions

tbyeah said:
Do you give a damn when a binge drinker or a smoker dies due to cirrhosis or lung cancer?

You can absolutely police it. I'll explain again: dealers will not be able to stay in business long when they are competing against pharmaceutical companies. In terms of volume, quality, or price.

And that assumption is wholly incorrect; do you think the majority of people that wanted the legalisation of marijuana in some US states were smokers?
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I think when someone says that they don't care about druggies dying, alcohol and Cigarettes are kinda the same point.

Why should anyone govern idiots, they know fine well they'll die with addiction/overuse...
 
This has been all over the new for weeks here. The Australian Government even offered to pay the prison expenses if they didnt go through with the execution.
To be honest, i dont know why the government here got so involved with it. 2 convicted drug smugglers sentenced to death in a country that has the death penalty for smuggling drugs. Not really a shocker is it.
Granted, the death penalty is pretty severe for the crime, but thats the punishment in Indonesia and the smugglers knew that. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever, though i do have sympathy for their families.
 
lemonade said:
That makes no sense. Why are drugs made illegal in the first place?
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Marijuana was made illegal because of lobbying from the Paper industry, as well as maybe others, because its such a useful plant. You can make so many superior products from it.
I bet you didn't know that once upon a time in the US is was illegal NOT to grow it?
Just because someone made a law doesn't mean there was noble intentions behind it, if you have enough power and influence you could get laws made to suit you.

Recreational drug use did probably have some valid problems, but making them illegal just made the problems worse.
 
Nitefly said:
Well, agreeing with Indonesia's death penalty for drug trafficking is essentially agreeing that it can be justifiable to kill someone on your own ground merely because you don't like what they are doing. How can that possibly be right?

Death penalty for anything is bad enough as it is, but for simply carrying a substance irrespective of the reasons or context? Really?
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As I said, i'm agreeing that it's justifiable to kill someone on my own ground if they're attempting to kill/harm me, or someone else in my house. Just as I agree it's justifiable that these people were killed for trafficking drugs, because it's their country, their laws.

If the law suggests that if you get caught smuggling drugs you'll face the death penalty, and you continue to do so anyway, who am I to disagree?
 
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How many lives have they made worse over the years? How many futures destroyed, families wrecked?

I can't imagine too many are losing much sleep over the death of these low lives.

A non story in the grand scheme of things.
 
Nitefly said:
Then I suppose no law can ever be opposed :(
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Its...a different country, the only way Indonesia will care is if surrounding nations trade less with them, somehow I doubt the trade with Australia is all too important in the short term and Australia is no longer in a boom respectively.

All things can be replaced, especially as a prominent neighbour (China) doesn't give a crap about such issues.

So we are at risk of pushing Indonesia further into the clutches of a growing power, just because 3 people get shot?

Not worth it.
 
Nitefly said:
Well, agreeing with Indonesia's death penalty for drug trafficking is essentially agreeing that it can be justifiable to kill someone on your own ground merely because you don't like what they are doing. How can that possibly be right?
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It can possibly be right if the death of one drug trafficker saves hundreds of more valuable lives by deterring other drug traffickers.

Your phrase 'merely because you don't like what they are doing' needs to be taken in the context of why Indonesia doesn't like what they're doing.

Presumably if the UK was invaded by a foreign army, you'd be against shooting any of the soldiers on your own ground in battle as you'd only be doing it because you 'don't like what they are doing'? Because make no mistake, it's a war as far as the Indonesians are concerned.
 
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It can possibly be right if the death of one drug trafficker saves hundreds of more valuable lives by deterring other drug traffickers.

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This is much how I feel. They are carrying out these executions in the full glare of global publicity, and making the most of it too!

They are making it quite clear that if you are caught trafficking drugs you WILL die!

And you will definitely NOT get a "Dodge the Bullet" discount on the grounds that you have a UK/US/Australian/ETC passport.

It is a good message too.

Anybody who continues to attempt to traffic drugs in that part of the world now has absolutely no excuse for not understanding what the consequences are likely to be.
 
lemonade said:
Of course it is the drugs that is the problem, otherwise they would not be illegal or hated by vast majority of normal people in the first place.

You think it is a win win. When you start seeing a generation of ****ed up people, then you will be ripping your hair out. I can't actually believe people think drugs are ok and its fine to make it mainstream. Theres a big hoo hah with tobacco, yet people want to go further. I can only assume you are users yourselves.
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You seem to have a very narrow minded view, there is a big difference between drug use and drug abuse. There are many people who have a drug problem and vastly more that do not, very much like alcohol and other legal drugs, but you just hold on to that one brush mate:rolleyes:
 
Orionaut said:
This is much how I feel. They are carrying out these executions in the full glare of global publicity, and making the most of it too!

They are making it quite clear that if you are caught trafficking drugs you WILL die!

And you will definitely NOT get a "Dodge the Bullet" discount on the grounds that you have a UK/US/Australian/ETC passport.

It is a good message too.

Anybody who continues to attempt to traffic drugs in that part of the world now has absolutely no excuse for not understanding what the consequences are likely to be.
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Yet you will still see people doing it regardless.
 
Wonder how many people who are saying "Bad Indonesia Bad" then go and book a holiday to Disney :)
 
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Awesome, great news. Well done Indonesia and you are one of the most liberal Muslims countries too. Stick to your laws and don't be compounded by the West and it's poor Justice laws.
 
majnu said:
Awesome, great news. Well done Indonesia and you are one of the most liberal Muslims countries too. Stick to your laws and don't be compounded by the West and it's poor Justice laws.
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Jesus Mohammed Christ sake why did you bring religion in to this?

Opps just spotted the user name....
 
glen8 said:
The death penalty should ONLY be used when everyone is absolutely 100% without any doubt. If that can't be achieved, then there should not be a death penalty period.
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Then there should be no death penalty as you can never by 100% certain, without any doubt, that a person is guilty of a crime.
 
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