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covenantuk said:
The same reason you don't buy a bottle of clear liquid off someone on the street who tells you it's vodka. Legitimate supply means purity is guaranteed by law. In the example of vodka, you're making sure someone's not selling you methanol which can kill you - as has happened in Russia.

This is particularly relevant nowadays e.g. Studies show that street cocaine can be as little as 5% purity even if it contains cocaine and not substitutes (such as mix of benzocaine and caffeine). This is substantially down from 10-12 years ago when 35%+ was common. It's so bad there is evidence that people are purifying their own cocaine with acetone now and consumption of more dangerous designer drugs has increased
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You seem to think that everyone is magically going to go into Boots (who would never sell hard drugs anyway) and buy it from there. Maybe your occasional drug user, i.e. some yuppie couple going to a party might walk into one covered with a brown bag and buy some. But your more regular user is not going to walk into one and hand in £50, or hand in a stolen phone as an exchange or offer a sex act to the store manager for a gram of meth.

The tobacco industry is another good example, its legal yet there is a large illegal black market which accounts for around 25% of usage.
 
tbyeah said:
Been explained - won't be cheaper - can't compete with large legal pharmaceutical companies and so are priced out as well as illegal
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Lets be realistic here large pharmaceutical companies will never sell heroin, crack, meth or any of the sorts ever. It would be bad business for them, unless society changes overnight and suddenly sees drugs as a good positive thing.
 
covenantuk said:
Exactly. If criminals scaled up enough to compete with a licensed factory producing cocaine, mdma or similar, they'd be caught in 5minutes.
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They wouldn't we have drugs in UK on large scale operation for decades. You can arrest dealers, the suppliers, someone else will come and fill the void.
 
Judgeneo said:
The cost of hiding from the law is vast. A legitimate drugs company wouldn't have to worry about that.

There is no way that an illegal operation can be cheaper, unless it is offering substandard quality, stealing materials, or avoiding taxes.


Take weed for example:
A sophisticated UK criminal operation might be a warehouse or two with hydroponic growth, the weed would then be processed in-house. A legal operation could choose better and biiger premises, as they won't have to hide their activity. Over time the processing would be outsourced to new specialists, who can do it using specialist machinery at mucher lower prices.

The criminals will distribute through a variety of dealers, who take a cut and pass onto smaller dealers. Theft is a major concern and lots of money is spent of protecting goods and hiding from the law. A legal operation could distribute to shops countrywide, and can purchase insurance to combat the risk of theft, and doesn't have to spend money to hide from the law.

The criminals wouldn't be able to compete, and would go out of business. The government could regulate safety of product. Taxes could be raised from the industry to fund medical care of drug users.

Night, and day.
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The cost is nothing, the big wigs are worth millions and they are smart and frugal. The drugs are produced abroad, they are smuggled in and they have legit businesses acting as fronts, they are quite sophisticated operations.

Also don't forget if drugs are made legal, then the business of these illegal drug dealers becomes legit overnight, just issues over tax etc. There are plenty of illegal practitioners in other legal industries that run profitably and safe, its naive to think the big wig drug dealers cant do it, they are some of the most shrewd people you will meet.
 
Evangelion said:
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Strong message right there, hardly welcoming is it!

I belive they stamp your passport with the same message
 
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Amp34 said:
You missed the point of his post. It's not the drugs that are the problem, it's the fact they are illegal. Sell ecstasy at a pharmacist and instantly you remove drug dealers from the equation, making peoples lives (unrelated to drugs) safer AND reduce issues of overdoses caused by "bad" batches. When's the last time you heard of a bad batch of paracetamol killing people? You don't, because they are made in well regulated conditions. The pharmacist can also tell people how to take it safely, reducing any overdose risk.

It's a win win for everyone concerned, except those making an illegal living out of it. All those factors are part of the reason US States are now legalising possession and growing of cannabis.
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Of course it is the drugs that is the problem, otherwise they would not be illegal or hated by vast majority of normal people in the first place.

You think it is a win win. When you start seeing a generation of ****ed up people, then you will be ripping your hair out. I can't actually believe people think drugs are ok and its fine to make it mainstream. Theres a big hoo hah with tobacco, yet people want to go further. I can only assume you are users yourselves.
 
spoffle said:
A wild correlation equals causation appears
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In mexico the drug gangs kill snitches and other drug gangs in most brutal ways.
seems to deter normal people from taking them on.

oh wait the communities got sick of the drug gangs and started to police their own streets.


the prospect of death does nothing when your desperate enough
 
thepharcyde said:
Strong message right there, hardly welcoming is it!

I belive they stamp your passport with the same message
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It is also in red on your landing card, it is mentioned at the start and end of every flight into the country.
Same for Singapore.
They make it very clear, that British granny will be executed soon too, and she will get the same fate, she knowingly brought drugs into the country, not even muling, as she knew what she was doing, it is quite remote she will be anything but shot.
 
Threepwood said:
"Prohibition didn't work in the Garden of Eden. Adam ate the apple."
-Vicente Fox


“Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes.”
―Abraham Lincoln


"For every prohibition you create you also create an underground."
-Jello Biafra


"Prohibition has made nothing but trouble."
-Al Capone

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"Remember kids, don't buy Drugs.. Become a Pop Star and they will give you them for free."
-Bill Nighy



Will end with this (more philosophical) quote from Alejandro Jodorowsky:
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Having sex with 10 years old is illegal and prohibited. Using your logic that prohibition is bad and that everything should be made legal, I guess you think pedophilia is acceptable.

It honestly wouldnt surprise me if in 15 years time people actually started calling for pedophilia to be legalised.
 
lemonade said:
Having sex with 10 years old is illegal and prohibited. Using your logic that prohibition is bad and that everything should be made legal, I guess you think pedophilia is acceptable.

It honestly wouldnt surprise me if in 15 years time people actually started calling for pedophilia to be legalised.
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You learn something every day
Prohibition is the legal act of prohibiting the manufacture, storage in barrels, bottles, transportation and sale of alcohol including alcoholic beverages. The term can also apply to periods in the histories of countries during which the prohibition of alcohol was enforced.
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how does prohibition in any way relate to paedophilia ? murder ? or anything else other than drugs

it's quite clear making rape , murder etc illegal did work.
making drugs illegal just created a massive black market for terrorists to poison the infidels.

ISIS might execute you for smoking s ciggy, I bet they wouldn't execute you for selling crack cocaine to the Christians

all the war on drugs have done is make the people supplying the drugs more powerful than the armies of the country they reside in (mexicos never ending war on drugs with huge swathes of the country the government can't even police with an army)
 
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lemonade said:
Of course it is the drugs that is the problem, otherwise they would not be illegal or hated by vast majority of normal people in the first place.

You think it is a win win. When you start seeing a generation of ****ed up people, then you will be ripping your hair out. I can't actually believe people think drugs are ok and its fine to make it mainstream. Theres a big hoo hah with tobacco, yet people want to go further. I can only assume you are users yourselves.
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No-one is saying drugs should be legalised and unregulated. If this was the case, you may be right. However, it's not the case.

Practically all drug deaths are due to impurities/overdose/mislabeling. With a tightly regulated but legal market, this becomes much less of an issue.

Also, drugs are far more widespread than I suspect you think. Many, many people have used recreational drugs.

If you cannot see the different between regulated use of a substance that when used correctly will cause less significant lasting harm than many legal ones and affects no-one but the user when used in this way, and traumatising a prepubescent minor with a sexual assault, you need to think about it a bit more.

As for your last (unfounded) assumption, I am not nor ever have been a recreational drug user. Can't speak for others here but statistically they are likely also not users.
 
lemonade said:
Having sex with 10 years old is illegal and prohibited. Using your logic that prohibition is bad and that everything should be made legal, I guess you think pedophilia is acceptable.

It honestly wouldnt surprise me if in 15 years time people actually started calling for pedophilia to be legalised.
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Incest will before that, what wrong with two consenting adults doing it in the privacy of their own home ect ect ect.
 
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