Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion, domestic terrorists?

[PlacidCasual]

AC electricity demand at least is pro-cyclic with solar energy availability on both a 24 hour and annual basis.

Insulation is a major issue for the Net Zero fanatics, the UK housing stock is poorly suited to high insulation targets. Whilst I disagree with IB's methods they're not wrong that this is a national problem and needs a national solution. Either insulation or a genuine cheap energy policy. I'd prefer 30 or 40, molten salt reactors whacking out cheap electricity. I think it's less fraught with risk than trying to reverse engineer our old housing stock to higher standards.

 

[Mr Jack]

All we found having had insulation done is that in warmer weather it just takes heat longer to get in during the day but then holds heat longer at night (unless there is a good through draft) - so we ended up getting AC installed :s when the weather is the warmest it also seems to be when there is the least air movement.

Not sure when you got your insulation done, but given that the seven hottest years on record are also the last seven years, I'd consider the possibility that the reason you were pushed into AC may have been hotter weather rather than merely insulation.

 

[Chibi28]

Not sure when you got your insulation done, but given that the seven hottest years on record are also the last seven years, I'd consider the possibility that the reason you were pushed into AC may have been hotter weather rather than merely insulation.

World may have got hotter overall, but apart from last year UK Summer is still crap. Used AC a handful of times this year

 

[Mr Jack]

World may have got hotter overall, but apart from last year UK Summer is still crap. Used AC a handful of times this year

Whilst the world temperature has been more dramatic than for the UK, it's still the case that all 10 of the hottest years on record in the UK are this century, and the hottest day was recorded in 2019.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

World may have got hotter overall, but apart from last year UK Summer is still crap. Used AC a handful of times this year

While the south was wetter than usual the opposite was true elsewhere they had a record summer there were even water shortages in the highlands

 

[b0rn2sk8]

The funniest posts have to be the ‘lock them up’ ones. Ask yourself, do you honestly want to live in a Russian style ‘democracy’? That is what you are asking for.

Also where do you think they are actually going to be locked up?

The criminal justice system has been cut to the absolute bone, hence ‘record’ investment to put right the mess they made over the last 10 years. There isn’t actually any holding cell or prison capacity available, and very few police resources to actually arrest them, process them and charge them. No CPS resource to take forward those changes and a huge backlog of court cases which existed long before covid. ‘Proper’ criminals are being let out of prison early to make space for new ones.

By the same logic, the huge Brexit and anti brexit marches a couple of years ago should be illegal because they also blocked carriageways, same goes for BLM marches. All of those caused utter chaos in the areas they impacted and some a lot wider due to the sheer number of people in attendance.

You can’t have one without the other and the police response to all of the above has been generally been proportionate and pretty quick to deal with them in an appropriate way.

Like it or not, if the person who through the in is caught up with, it’s likely they would be charged with assault which could have far wider implications on their own life than they ever realised.

 

[Mason-]

The funniest posts have to be the ‘lock them up’ ones. Ask yourself, do you honestly want to live in a Russian style ‘democracy’? That is what you are asking for.

Also where do you think they are actually going to be locked up?

The criminal justice system has been cut to the absolute bone, hence ‘record’ investment to put right the mess they made over the last 10 years. There isn’t actually any holding cell or prison capacity available, and very few police resources to actually arrest them, process them and charge them. No CPS resource to take forward those changes and a huge backlog of court cases which existed long before covid. ‘Proper’ criminals are being let out of prison early to make space for new ones.

By the same logic, the huge Brexit and anti brexit marches a couple of years ago should be illegal because they also blocked carriageways, same goes for BLM marches. All of those caused utter chaos in the areas they impacted and some a lot wider due to the sheer number of people in attendance.

You can’t have one without the other and the police response to all of the above has been generally been proportionate and pretty quick to deal with them in an appropriate way.

Like it or not, if the person who through the in is caught up with, it’s likely they would be charged with assault which could have far wider implications on their own life than they ever realised.

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't. The funniest posts are people who think what they're doing is ok. A bunch of middle class snobs, who have the luxury of taking the day off work to glue their heads to the motorway, to **** off the people who HAVE to go to work because they need to earn money to put food on the table, and that's without going into the fact they've been the root cause of causing people health problems. Go and protest parliament, they're not doing themselves any favours.

 

[Diddums]

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't. The funniest posts are people who think what they're doing is ok. A bunch of middle class snobs, who have the luxury of taking the day off work to glue their heads to the motorway, to **** off the people who HAVE to go to work because they need to earn money to put food on the table, and that's without going into the fact they've been the root cause of causing people health problems. Go and protest parliament, they're not doing themselves any favours.

Bang on. I reckon we just finish the job and glue every single millimeter of them to the roads. If they're gonna stand by their beliefs, then go the whole hog and commit.

 

[Tefal]

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't. The funniest posts are people who think what they're doing is ok. A bunch of middle class snobs, who have the luxury of taking the day off work to glue their heads to the motorway, to **** off the people who HAVE to go to work because they need to earn money to put food on the table, and that's without going into the fact they've been the root cause of causing people health problems. Go and protest parliament, they're not doing themselves any favours.

Don't forget the Millionaire landlord who's there so he and his dad can have thier uninsulated rental properties done up on the tax payer rather than paying themselves

 

[Uther]

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't. The funniest posts are people who think what they're doing is ok. A bunch of middle class snobs, who have the luxury of taking the day off work to glue their heads to the motorway, to **** off the people who HAVE to go to work because they need to earn money to put food on the table, and that's without going into the fact they've been the root cause of causing people health problems. Go and protest parliament, they're not doing themselves any favours.

Winning post.

 

[Tefal]

[QUOTE="b0rn2sk8, post: 35200445.] member:
By the same logic, the huge Brexit and anti brexit marches a couple of years ago should be illegal because they also blocked carriageways, same goes for BLM marches. All of those caused utter chaos in the areas they impacted and some a lot wider due to the sheer number of people in attendance.

[/QUOTE]

But that's why those are acceptable, that's a normal protest huge groups of people turning up to say "look how many of us there are" and they caus disruption as a consequence its understandable.


But 5-10 people are not a major protest and shouldn't be having an impact the same as 50,000 people .

That's not a democratic protest its just anti social behaviour by a minority

 

[hurfdurf]

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't. The funniest posts are people who think what they're doing is ok. A bunch of middle class snobs, who have the luxury of taking the day off work to glue their heads to the motorway, to **** off the people who HAVE to go to work because they need to earn money to put food on the table, and that's without going into the fact they've been the root cause of causing people health problems. Go and protest parliament, they're not doing themselves any favours.

They tried going to parliament, they were ignored. Like every other cause that’s ended in needing to commit crimes and protest that actually gets attention, see women’s rights, racial justice, etc. Martin Luther King was seen as the most dangerous criminal and radical for his crimes, now look at him.

I can’t help but wonder how many thousands of lives would have been saved had the millions who marched against the Iraq war done so more violently against the war criminal liars who took us there.

Not all crime is wrong by simple virtue of it being a crime, lots of criminals are looked back on as being seen to be correct.

I don’t believe in the climate hysteria, but if these people are correct, and the world in 5 years time truly does go to absolute hell climate wise, these people can do one hell of a “I told you so”, but that won’t count for anything.

 

[Nasher]

Not all crime is wrong by simple virtue of it being a crime, lots of criminals are looked back on as being seen to be correct.

Yep, Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

 

[Tefal]

So perhaps the government should fine landlord who don't insulate thier properties?

 

[Angilion]

Or cook in your house.

Or be alive in your house.

 

[Mr Jack]

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't.

Yes, and they're getting removed by the Police as a result, and will eventually get processed by the justice system. As is proportionate for protestors carrying out civil disobedience.

 

[Mason-]

Yes, and they're getting removed by the Police as a result, and will eventually get processed by the justice system. As is proportionate for protestors carrying out civil disobedience.

Did you ignore the post I was replying to?

 

[Mr Jack]

Did you ignore the post I was replying to?

Yes. Why do you think that's a relevant comment to make?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

They're committing crimes. With no remorse. Protesting is fine and allowed, blocking major roads isn't. The funniest posts are people who think what they're doing is ok. A bunch of middle class snobs, who have the luxury of taking the day off work to glue their heads to the motorway, to **** off the people who HAVE to go to work because they need to earn money to put food on the table, and that's without going into the fact they've been the root cause of causing people health problems. Go and protest parliament, they're not doing themselves any favours.

Interesting response, mainly because at no point did I say, imply or even slightly infer that I agreed with their tactics or methods. For the record, I don’t.

I was merely pointing out the ‘lol’ nature of just locking people up for an serious length of time (as already established, it could a number of months or even years before they see the inside of a court room) for what is frankly a a minor/petty offence. It’s a completely disproportionate response and you’d better hope you don’t need to protest something you believe in at a future date.

Meanwhile assaults/rapes etc go uninvestigated because the police/cps/moj/prison service/probation service have an woeful level of resources available.

Thats if they even get convicted, remember the XE people who were not convicted of vandalising that oil companies building in London?

 

[Clearcut]

Probably too busy removing idiots like this off the roads.

....or standing around watching them.