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Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread
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Well maybe if Intel didn't produce utter dross for the past few years there wouldn't be anything for consumers - "fanboys" or otherwise - to rubbish. And be careful when you throw around such terms as "fanboy" because, quite frankly, only an Intel fanboy (or somebody very impressionable) could be even remotely excited by the "significant bang-for-buck" list you gave.So many AMD fanboys in here just itching to rubbish anything Intel produce
There is nothing, zero, zip, nada, zilch exciting, interesting or "bang for buck" about the 10 series. It is a joke, and reeks of desperation by a company whose arrogance of the past decade has bitten them in the ass. There is nothing in that lineup which "takes the fight" to AMD. It might get performance parity with Zen 2, but by the time Intel release this dross AMD will be already past Zen 3 on 6nm, with Zen 4 well on its way.
Says Intel. In fact, Intel don't even need to change process in order to change socket, so not quite sure what you're getting at.
Oh, and as a pointer for the future, the second you tar any anti-Intel comment as an "AMD fanboy", you render any and all credibility null and void. Just have a read of some of Grim5's posts before you accuse him of red-tinted glasses.
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Interestingly, today it surfaced that Intel are delaying the launch of their HEDT until after AMD release Threadripper 3.
Suggestion was they realise they will lose badly, so will launch after and make a large price cut.
Suggestion was they realise they will lose badly, so will launch after and make a large price cut.
The fact that Intel can do so many price cuts shows how much the consumer has been taken for a ride for years!
What could swing it towards Intel is significantly lower motherboard prices, but that's not a decision they can make. X570 boards can cost stupid money, and the overall price of admission is much higher because of the quantity of retimers used and PCB quality to support PCIe 4. Apparently that's not so much the case with Threadripper boards because of some improvements and redesign have reduced the number of retimers required, so we're not likely to see TR40 boards starting at 800 smackers just because X570 can go as high as £700. Now, the new X299 refresh boards are pretty chunky works of engineering and largely worth their price tag, but the underlying spec is still outdated compared to Zen 2/Threadripper 3. PCIe lanes are fewer, PCIe spec is a generation behind, too many concessions and choices to make on which features to include to fit around the available PCIe lanes.
But if Intel can give us a 28 core for under £900 and a motherboard starting around £400 then it could still take sales away from Threadripper 3 by being "cheap enough" to offset the platform's disadvantages.
Yes, I did just post Intel could take the price-performance angle in order to be sales competitive. How the tables have turned...
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There's been cpus on different process nodes on 1155 and 1150 before this, so that alone wouldn't make a new socket necessary.
That is very true, and I think that the socket will outlast one generation of CPU's, however I don't think the chipset or motherboard will be that appealing given that by the time they get a 10nm desktop product to market both DDR5, and PCI-E 5.0 will be available.
Different processes are somewhat irrelevant though since changes to the chipset (LGA 775) and/or electrical pin out (Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake) has negated the benefit of reusing the socket before now. Coffee Lake Refresh on Z370 was uncharacteristic of Intel. If Intel are pushing for DDR5 and PCIe 5 adoption after Comet Lake then it's incredibly unlikely they'll continue with LGA 1200, even if they stick with 14nm+++ for the CPU.
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Until Intel go to 10nm or lower, they aren't going to be able to compete with AMD and thats the sad truth.
Going to be awkward since that should mean frequency loss and then that's an advantage gone.
Intel has a history of losing frequency on the first iteration of new nodes. The frequency should come back with 10nm+
But I'm not sure if they are doing 10nm+, they may just put all development into 7nm because TSMC is moving to 5nm.
Just looking last night for a laptop for my Dad and noticed Laptops now come with 10th generation CPU's didnt even realise these were out better read a bit of this thread!
https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/lap...n-15-3000/spd/inspiron-15-3593-laptop/cn33501
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...1035g1-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...10th-generation-intel-core-i5-processors.html
Actually looking at AMD Ryzen 5 CPU's in Laptops as I thought a 3500u would give better performance.
https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/lap...n-15-3000/spd/inspiron-15-3593-laptop/cn33501
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...1035g1-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...10th-generation-intel-core-i5-processors.html
Actually looking at AMD Ryzen 5 CPU's in Laptops as I thought a 3500u would give better performance.
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Probably be better to just skip 10nm and go straight into 7nm
They'd still have problems. Apparently a lot of the issues Intel have faced with their 10nm would also apply to their 7nm, so there's no new node at all if those issues can't be resolved.
This release is embarrassing.
This is now 14nm+++++++++, and Skylake revised for the umpteenth time. And you got numpties defending it. For these people, as long as a new CPU gets 250fps in a game using a 2080 Ti @ HD resolution as opposed to 240fps on Ryzen, they'll buy it because it's got the Intel sticker on the box
Lets conveniently ignore power draw, lack of upgradeability, old platform features, inflated price, lack of cooler, slower general performance outside of arbitrary 'gaming @ 1080p using 2080 Ti' scenarios, etc etc.
This is now 14nm+++++++++, and Skylake revised for the umpteenth time. And you got numpties defending it. For these people, as long as a new CPU gets 250fps in a game using a 2080 Ti @ HD resolution as opposed to 240fps on Ryzen, they'll buy it because it's got the Intel sticker on the box
Lets conveniently ignore power draw, lack of upgradeability, old platform features, inflated price, lack of cooler, slower general performance outside of arbitrary 'gaming @ 1080p using 2080 Ti' scenarios, etc etc.
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Apart from everyone saying that this is not the case, you are spot on.
************ investors would be a very bad thing.
Waits for a post linking to Charlie Demerjian saying his best friends cousins dog walker heard from his mate at Intel.
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A lot of people say a lot of things, such is the nature of rumour and conversation.
It's well known that Intel set the bar too high on their 10nm (colbalt etc..) but 7nm seems to be trucking along to expectations.
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Oh dear then, looks like 11th Gen and even probably 12th will carry on being a failure like the 10th
I don't get your point.
When 10nm delays were first discussed in tech circles, it was claimed Intel set the bar too high for it, and as you state it's now a known fact. At that time discussion also posited the notion of binning off 10nm and jumping straight to 7nm, but Intel's 7nm plans were intrinsically tied to 10nm, ergo the same issues that plagued 10nm would also apply to 7nm if they just skipped. So Intel had to dial back a bit on 10nm and now it's looking like it might be OK. So with that 10nm hurdle resolved, of course 7nm is now coming together as expected.