Soldato
A750 £250 max or no buy.
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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022
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Soldato
They may offer SLI/crossfire/multi-GPU. 
They've certain been spending:
www.tomshardware.com
A bit hard to see what on, but lots of money spent.
I'm not even sure that £250 isn't too expensive since it is at best a DX12 and Vulcan card and I can't see them ever fixing DX<12 properly.
Even taking just the DX12 performance in terms of perf/watt and perf/transistors it isn't great. And those are Intel PR's numbers, and average FPS could hide some pretty poor min FPSs too.
Firm Estimates Intel's GPU Unit Losses at $3.5 Billion, Suggests Selling It Off
Intel's discrete GPU program might be deprecated, thinks JPR
I'm not even sure that £250 isn't too expensive since it is at best a DX12 and Vulcan card and I can't see them ever fixing DX<12 properly.
Even taking just the DX12 performance in terms of perf/watt and perf/transistors it isn't great. And those are Intel PR's numbers, and average FPS could hide some pretty poor min FPSs too.
Caporegime
Caporegime
At 120FPS max settings 4K, with x4 super sampling enabled, yup. ARC won't even get a quarter of that.
And FM needs all the graphical help it can get.
Caporegime
Yeah it's pretty basic, but it's the best it's ever looked in FM22, and I don't scrub up too badly in it either.
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I find it baffling that there is any talk of selling off the graphics division of Intel. They have literally just spent 3 years doing everything from scratch. Of course they're struggling to compete...They've certain been spending:
A bit hard to see what on, but lots of money spent.Firm Estimates Intel's GPU Unit Losses at $3.5 Billion, Suggests Selling It Off
Intel's discrete GPU program might be deprecated, thinks JPR
I'm not even sure that £250 isn't too expensive since it is at best a DX12 and Vulcan card and I can't see them ever fixing DX<12 properly.
Even taking just the DX12 performance in terms of perf/watt and perf/transistors it isn't great. And those are Intel PR's numbers, and average FPS could hide some pretty poor min FPSs too.
Soldato
no idea tbh, I don't keep track of what version of dx each game is, I currently don't have to, I shouldn't have to.
The game I play the most is 25 years old, so god knows how that would perform. My 1080 spends about 90% utilization rendering it when it should only cost about 1%.
the only talk was by some guy who doesnt even work for intel.... why even listen to that crap? even a fart in the wind gathers traction these days and becomes "fact"
Caporegime
Good Grief......
So Intel ARC doesn't work with DX11.
"Well no one plays DX11 games anyway and if you do you're a pleb."
Okay.... The problem is those who can least afford to be duped in to buying a knackered GPU are the most likely to need it for DX9 / DX10 and DX11 games, think about that before you gloss over its problems, no one gets a free pass on hardware flaws, certainly not one of the biggest and richest companies of them all.
So Intel ARC doesn't work with DX11.
"Well no one plays DX11 games anyway and if you do you're a pleb."
Okay.... The problem is those who can least afford to be duped in to buying a knackered GPU are the most likely to need it for DX9 / DX10 and DX11 games, think about that before you gloss over its problems, no one gets a free pass on hardware flaws, certainly not one of the biggest and richest companies of them all.
Hmm. Seems like about half the games on my list of games I love & will re-play and that still demand more GPU power are DX11 or lower, but even more than that it's the draw-call and API limits are the biggest hurdle with DX11 games in which case it's really the driver that's going to be the most important there (for close to a smooth 60) and why anyone caring about these older titles should ultimately buy an Nvidia GPU.
It's not a hardware flaw though is it....
do nvidia still support windows 2000? but what about the people who still use it?
Caporegime
Moores Law is Dead had a guest on his podcast recently that was talking about DX11 draw calls, AMD, Intel and Nvidia.
Caporegime
That's a false equivalence.