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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022
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AMD did this, the R9 390X was an R9 290X rebrand with 8GB of VRam, the RX 580 was again an 8GB rebrand of the RX 480 and the RX 590 another refresh, during that time AMD couldn't afford to develop better cards, they were very mid range.
But they all sold really quite well, they were popular, they were good cards for the masses.
While AMD didn't make much money on them, they also didn't lose any money on them.
According to Intel so far they are $3.5 Billion down on ARC, lets be honest here this is not the same situation that AMD was in, their cards just weren't high end, so low margin, Intel's cards have a very serious problem, they are frankly bad, some might say broken, the reviews of people who bought them on Newegg are not pretty, user reviews are not something sympathetic tech journalists can gloss over.
So its going to be Billions more before Intel can even think about breaking even never mind start clawing back those Billions in development costs over many years.
This is why no one else makes consumer grade DX capable Graphics Cards, it would cost the GDP of Rwanda over many years to catch up to where AMD and Nvidia are at, and then try to compete with them.
I have not read anything that proves the Intel chip is broken, people that keep repeating that sound like they are being paid, just like the ones that keep repeating AMD drivers are bad even though they have never had an AMD card. The drivers need time to improve, nothing can be done about that and Intel new that going in. I am quite impressed with how much they have got done, considering how big the challenge is.
Intel NEED a discrete GPU as workloads that traditionally used CPU’s, now use GPU’s. This is hurting them in the enterprise sector. AMD paid $5 Billion(ATI) to get started in GPU's.
If they chose to continue development, the higher end is going to stay stagnant until at least 2024, if not longer. They may have an impact on the midrange to lower end before then however, but it seems like it will be a very limited impact as you can't even get people to buy an AMD card instead of NVidia, so you'll be pulling teeth trying to get them to buy Intel.
I disagree. There is a dearth of good cards under 300€, which is where the mass market is.
We're still stuck with 1060 level cards there and offering a decent improvement for 1060 money would definitely be a game changer.
RX 6600, £259. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1ad-pc.html
= to RTX 2070 / RX 5700
Or RTX 3060 < just about, the 3060 is 7% faster.
I wonder how many £300 RTX 3050's Nvidia sell vs £270 RX 6600's AMD sell? never mind £340 RTX 3060's.
Knowing that would tell us how much the strategy of being cheaper pays off, i'm willing to bet Nvidia still sell many more RTX 3050's alone and even more RTX 3060's.
Knowing that would tell us how much the strategy of being cheaper pays off, i'm willing to bet Nvidia still sell many more RTX 3050's alone and even more RTX 3060's.
Biggest Retailer on earth, US site.
Top 10 all Nvidia, the highest ranking AMD card is the XFX RX 6600 at #21, the price difference between the the RX 6600 and the RTX 3050 - RTX 3060 is exactly the same as it is here, the RTX 3050 is $70 more expensive, the 3060 $150 more expensive, even the RTX 2060 is out selling the RX 6600 massively for $50 more.
When you're up against Nvidia mindshare simply being cheaper, and in this case also better... does little, if anything at all.
Intel will have to deal with this too, they may think they can just take AMD's place in the market, but even Intel have realised now that's hubris. AMD aren't flogging RX 590's anymore.
Also think people forget or dont know Nvidia is the king of rebrand and probably have done it more than AMD. Which card was it now 8800GT or something like it got rebranded 2 or 3 times and it was the exact same card the 1st time something like 9800gt with a very minor change the 2nd time and renamed again. I agree if Intel ever show us the goods its going to be more of a whimper release than an all star look at us world beating line up that runny egg is slowly dripping down their faces.
More hmmm, new graphics card thats nice, here AMD or Nvidia have my cash.
Right exactly, and the thing is Intel's reputation has already taken a huge knock over the last few years, they don't need this calamity in the wild hurting their brand even further.
The problem isn't a lack of competition, not when a $250 GPU similar enough to a $400 GPU is selling at a one in ten ratio, "but its worth more cuz RT, cuz DLSS, cuz drivers, cuz green"
We have competition, we just don't want it, we may say we do, but we don't, we just want cheaper Nvidia cards and someone else to force Nvidia to given that to us, well that doesn't work.
The big OEM's decide what most PC have in them, the DIY market is a small %. I think it is a good thing that Intel is doing GPU's, even if I never buy one. They will push the other venders to increase the gap or add functions, even if it’s just a small push. Some parts of the Intel GPU are good, OpenCL performance = 2070/6600XT, media encoders and RT. For PC's and workstations where gaming is not important, they could be a good option if priced right. If the compute units scale well they could do ok in servers as enterprise customers care more about costs than marketing.
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Humbug, I wrote € (or $, not much difference), not £.
The cheapest 6600 I can find in Italy is still (barely) above 300€ when taking into account shipping and the same is for OCUK EU sister company and if we talk MSRP it gets even more tragic.
What we need to revive gaming is a card able to push over 1080/60 ultra at not more than 20% of the median (not average!) net salary, or to simplify calculations at not more than half of a console MSRP.
Remember that while GPU prices went to the sky since the 1060/RX 580 era salaries did not!
Exactly. Most people ultimately don't give a damn & Nvidia's marketing department is on par with Apple's in terms of mind-warping ability, so they'll keeping selling out no matter what. Intel on the other hand had its own high level of popularity as a result of their market-share but they didn't have that kind of fanaticism from its customers, hence AMD could supplant them with Ryzen. Nvidia shows no such weakness (for now).
I don't see the same thing looking at the Steam GPU Survey in detail.Exactly. Most people ultimately don't give a damn & Nvidia's marketing department is on par with Apple's in terms of mind-warping ability, so they'll keeping selling out no matter what. Intel on the other hand had its own high level of popularity as a result of their market-share but they didn't have that kind of fanaticism from its customers, hence AMD could supplant them with Ryzen. Nvidia shows no such weakness (for now).
- GTX 1060 is still at the top with 6,6%
- 1650 is 2nd with 6,24%
- 2060 is 3rd with 5,02%
- 1050ti is 4th with 4,99%
- 3060 laptop is 5th with 3,39%
- regular 3060 is 6th with 3,24%
It basically takes the two RTX 30 top sellers to beat just the 1060 and only the appalling numbers of RTX 20 series makes the RTX 30 series look any good!
That's a good rebuttal to a point I didn't make.
I said, repeatedly, that Arc isn't just or even mainly about graphics cards for gaming PCs. It's not the same situation as AMD reworking existing products to stay in the mass (but low margin) market for gaming graphics cards while developing something better. Intel needs a massively parallel processor architecture for other markets and Arc is what they've got. If they scrap Arc, they have to start again or give up and leave themselves with only x86. Which will probably result in Intel fading away to a relatively minor player, locked out of many markets by not having a suitable processor architecture. Arc isn't only about gaming cards and it isn't only about Alchemist.
Alchemist is definitely bad. It's probably not fundamentally broken, though. The drivers are broken, but the hardware probably isn't. Intel could make it into a viable budget option, maybe make a little profit on it. But it's Arc that's the big deal for Intel, not just Alchemist. If Intel can learn from its mistakes and do a better job with Battlemage, they might have a competitive product for markets they're currently completely locked out of.
ARC 770 16GB Pricing and launch data have been announced. $329 on Oct. 12.
Not bad really, for what you get.
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Not bad really, for what you get.
Intel announces Arc A770 GPU at $329, launches October 12th - VideoCardz.com
Intel finally announces its Arc Alchemist Desktop graphics card Pat Gelsinger confirms Arc A770 GPU will launch in fourth quarter. Only one GPU was announced today, the A770 Limited Edition, the flagship of the Arc Alchemist desktop series, will launch on October 12th. At Intel Innovation, Intel...
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Seems pretty terrible unless you have a non-gaming use for it that can utilise the VRAM or encoding support. Performance somewhere between a 3060 and 3060 Ti in DX12 only for about the same money, with much lower performance than either in older APIs. Pass.ARC 770 16GB Pricing and launch data have been announced. $329 on Oct. 12.
Not bad really, for what you get.
Intel announces Arc A770 GPU at $329, launches October 12th - VideoCardz.com
Intel finally announces its Arc Alchemist Desktop graphics card Pat Gelsinger confirms Arc A770 GPU will launch in fourth quarter. Only one GPU was announced today, the A770 Limited Edition, the flagship of the Arc Alchemist desktop series, will launch on October 12th. At Intel Innovation, Intel...
ARC 770 16GB Pricing and launch data have been announced. $329 on Oct. 12.
Not bad really, for what you get.
Intel announces Arc A770 GPU at $329, launches October 12th - VideoCardz.com
Intel finally announces its Arc Alchemist Desktop graphics card Pat Gelsinger confirms Arc A770 GPU will launch in fourth quarter. Only one GPU was announced today, the A770 Limited Edition, the flagship of the Arc Alchemist desktop series, will launch on October 12th. At Intel Innovation, Intel...
That would be about £350 UK.
The RX 6650XT is currently £375, which is close enough to an RTX 3060Ti, i think it needs to be better than it to justify that price.
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