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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

So A770 might be 3060ti level? Not too bad i guess, but i think they might struggle to gain traction if the UK RRP is near £400.

I think if they can get 3060ti performance for £300 or under they would likely sell a lot. That would be a reasonable amount of money, and a lot of performance for 1080p/1440p gaming.

The competition for the 750 is also the RX 6600, available on OCUK for £279.
 
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The prices seem a fair bit too high to me. Probably by around £50 or so.

Yes, we know that Intel's perf/transistors is poor so these cost a lot to make, but as consumers we shouldn't really care? All that should matter to us is perf/cost (although modded Skyrim might love the 16GB on the A770).
TPU lists the various cards in the GPU database:
So we have something like this:
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the greens are the direct competition, the blues are closer to what Nvidia and AMD are able to do with those kind of transistors. Didn't add Navi 22 or GA104.
I doubt if it will excite anyone anywhere. What's the intended market? Builders of desktop PCs for which the GPU performance is irrelevant will use CPUs with built-in graphics because that's the cheapest way to meet their requirements. If GPU performance is of any relevance, A310 is pointless. So the only possible market I can see is people seeking to replace a very old budget graphics card that has failed.
There someone in the AT Intel GPU thread who is running an A380 on an old platform without rebar and their experience has been, well, "interesting". Cannot see an A310 being useful as a budget card if it keeps disappearing at boot time.
 
The prices seem a fair bit too high to me. Probably by around £50 or so.

Yes, we know that Intel's perf/transistors is poor so these cost a lot to make, but as consumers we shouldn't really care? All that should matter to us is perf/cost (although modded Skyrim might love the 16GB on the A770).
TPU lists the various cards in the GPU database:
So we have something like this:
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the greens are the direct competition, the blues are closer to what Nvidia and AMD are able to do with those kind of transistors. Didn't add Navi 22 or GA104.

There someone in the AT Intel GPU thread who is running an A380 on an old platform without rebar and their experience has been, well, "interesting". Cannot see an A310 being useful as a budget card if it keeps disappearing at boot time.

Yep, they need to reduce the RRP a bit to get market traction in my opinion. Nvidia and AMD are too established in the market for them to just release something at the same price and perf to cards that have been out years.

Far too much risk for prospective buyers with brand new hardware and driver gremlins too. People will want something cheaper to make up for that risk.
 
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Considering they're not been tested yet, it seems odd to have them in the relative performance list, but even so me thinks they are reaching juuuuust a little here :D 6800 / 3070ti competitor, you heard it here first....

 
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Considering they're not been tested yet, it seems odd to have them in the relative performance list, but even so me thinks they are reaching juuuuust a little here :D 6800 / 3070ti competitor, you heard it here first....


Everyone is trying to give Intel a leg up because Nvidia have no competitors, and never have......
 
Tell me, except out of curiosity, would you buy an A750 for £289 when you can get a RX 6600 for £10 less?

The inconvenient truth to the "we need the competition" argument.

A third player with unproven and arguably broken GPU's more expensive than a proven vendor is not competition, its just another one looking to stuff their coffers by ripping you off, what really gets me is the amount of people falling for it.
 
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If they match performance and are the same/similar price, then no of course not but their whole thing is that for the same performance they're meant to be a lot cheaper. Once we have both bits of info (performance and price) we can know if that is the case and make an informed decision (shock horror!)
 
The inconvenient truth to the "we need the competition" argument.

A third player with unproven and arguably broken GPU's more expensive than a proven vendor is not competition, its just another one looking to stuff their coffers by ripping you off, what really gets me is the amount of people falling for it.
Oh, that changed between me reading it and quoting it!

Anyway, the most broken part of this so far is that they need so many more transistors to get their performance. So strictly speaking, they are probably not doing much coffer stuffing as such, just attempting to lose less than they might otherwise be.

Not that this matters to us consumers but their perf/transistor is almost half of the competition!
 
Oh, that changed between me reading it and quoting it!

Anyway, the most broken part of this so far is that they need so many more transistors to get their performance. So strictly speaking, they are probably not doing much coffer stuffing as such, just attempting to lose less than they might otherwise be.

Not that this matters to us consumers but their perf/transistor is almost half of the competition!

Under Raja Koduri leadership AMD were knocking out massive GPU's with low performance that were also problematic, sound familiar?

Did we give AMD any sympathy for that? No off course not, they were widely ridiculed for it, and rightly so, i should add. And Yes AMD lost money on every one they sold.

Right, so, Intel's GPU's are not only huge for the level of performance, they also don't work unless you have ReBar enabled, if you don't have a ReBar capable Motherboard then forget it, and even then really only in DX12 and Vulkan games, that's provided the drivers don't completely #### up your entire windows install, and those features Intel keep banging on about; yeah they don't work either...

On the other side you have Nvidia, proven and everything just works, but you pay an arm and a leg for it.

Aren't we missing something?
There is another vendor, also proven, nice small, power efficient GPU's, like Nvidia everything just works while also having near feature parity with Nvidia, they are also cheaper than both.

What i don't understand in all of this is the reluctance tech journalists had in recommending AMD as an alternative to Nvidia, always making the "its worth more because RT and DLSS" Intel doesn't have DLSS and we don't know what the RT performance actually is, add to that all of those ^^^^ problems, and yet quite a few of them jump about like teenage girls at Glastonbury holding up an ARC GPU crying "Buy this"

You see, and i have said this would happen for these reasons many times over the years, these bum holes are the reason we are now in the absurd situation with Nvidia behaving like they have a monopoly, clearly these journalists haven't learned anything and frustratingly it seems to me neither have we.
 
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I don’t think the hardware is broken; I think the drivers are. For me, that reduces the max price to ~£250, when the drivers are stable add ~£50.
Well maybe not broken as such, but I can't help but think that with a budget of nearly twice the transistors of their competition that something is broken in their design.

Yes, I know GPUs are very parallel so in theory a slow but extra wide design could be one strategy to get great perf/watt (a lot of mobile parts to attempt this), but while we only have the TPU for now in the A380 reviews Intel's perf/watt was quite poor.
 
The A770 needing an extra cable for RGB lighting control is strange. I've never known a card to need a dedicated cable for that.

Cheap and lazy design. Nice looking card but if you want RGB attach this cable to the side of the card and to your mobo. Stupid in 2022.
 
Well maybe not broken as such, but I can't help but think that with a budget of nearly twice the transistors of their competition that something is broken in their design.

Yes, I know GPUs are very parallel so in theory a slow but extra wide design could be one strategy to get great perf/watt (a lot of mobile parts to attempt this), but while we only have the TPU for now in the A380 reviews Intel's perf/watt was quite poor.
AMD/NV have had a lot of driver updates with large performance improvements, who’s to say Intel will not. Also, they added a large amount of RT and media hardware that pushed up the die size. I am not saying go out and buy one, I’m just not dismissing them as broken crap.
 
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