Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

arknor · 30 Sep 2022 at 18:56

humbug said:
Don't pretend anyone is going to buy Intel instead of Nvidia.

I already said I might :S depends if AMD play daft buggers like Nvidia.

but you are only completely anti Intel anyway with biased hate and no doubt still top poster in this thread with only vitriol

humbug · 30 Sep 2022 at 18:58

arknor said:
I already said I might :S depends if AMD play daft buggers like Nvidia.

but you are only completely anti Intel anyway with biased hate and no doubt still top poster in this thread with only vitriol

Stop with the fanboy bombs, i'm trying to have a grown-up conversation with this community.

arknor · 30 Sep 2022 at 19:05

humbug said:
Stop with the fanboy bombs, i'm trying to have a grown-up conversation with this community.

then read through all your posts in this thread and wonder why people pick up on it.

Seems you only come in here to bash intel

random_matt · 30 Sep 2022 at 19:18

Pretty good price, may buy one for an itx build.

The_Arbiter · 30 Sep 2022 at 19:55

humbug said:
I do believe it could, but who does that benefit? it will have 0 effect on Nvidia.

Not true. 15% growth from a competitor in a short time will concern any business.

Grim5 · 30 Sep 2022 at 19:56

The_Arbiter said:
Not true. 15% growth from a competitor in a short time will concern any business.

1% growth is concerning, any competitor growth is eating away at your own revenue

robwigan · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:01

The_Arbiter said:
Not true. 15% growth from a competitor in a short time will concern any business.

Of course it would.

Nvidia can’t be so arrogant to be unaware of how negatively they are being perceived right now. No one any where is talking about the performance of their new cards, most conversations happening with them now are negative ones around their pricing and shady tactics.

All that and a new competition in intel and a pending announcement from amd soon, nvidia will be for sure more than a little concerned right now. Amd have switched peoples perceptions significantly since they launch of ryzen and intel will have a significant following for their cpus some of which will be more than happy to ‘try out’ one of their gpus

humbug · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:12

robwigan said:
Of course it would.

Nvidia can’t be so arrogant to be unaware of how negatively they are being perceived right now. No one any where is talking about the performance of their new cards, most conversations happening with them now are negative ones around their pricing and shady tactics.

All that and a new competition in intel and a pending announcement from amd soon, nvidia will be for sure more than a little concerned right now. Amd have switched peoples perceptions significantly since they launch of ryzen and intel will have a significant following for their cpus some of which will be more than happy to ‘try out’ one of their gpus

No they really are because they know its not going to make a difference to their bottom line, they have every reason to be THAT arrogant, because they are not wrong. We have had more than a decade to prove them wrong and failed.

Blue takes over Red.... irrelevant.

robwigan · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:22

humbug said:
No they really are because they know its not going to make a difference to their bottom line, they have every reason to be THAT arrogant, because they are not wrong. We have had more than a decade to prove them wrong and failed.

Blue takes over Red.... irrelevant.

Really though ? Iv not built a pc in 10 years and this is my first venture back on here so I’m talking from what I would assume is common sense perspective in a buisneee sense for them.

They also don’t have the miners like they did previously. An outsider away from the industry looking in would say they are potentially up **** creek if they don’t adjust. Thousands of long time users of nvidia are slating them at the moment and if they aren’t buying from a competitor a lot I think will stick to what they have. It will hurt their bottom line after the first wave of purchases are made by die hard enthusiasts.

humbug · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:23

Grim5 i see an awesome RTX 3090 proudly flexed in your signature, are you going skip Nvidia's coming generations and buy Intel? No.

I'm not having a go, i've bought serval Nvidia GPU's over the last few years too, i'm just making a point.

robwigan said:
Really though ? Iv not built a pc in 10 years and this is my first venture back on here so I’m talking from what I would assume is common sense perspective in a buisneee sense for them.

They also don’t have the miners like they did previously. An outsider away from the industry looking in would say they are potentially up **** creek if they don’t adjust. Thousands of long time users of nvidia are slating them at the moment and if they aren’t buying from a competitor a lot I think will stick to what they have.

Your probably right but how ridiculous are they if you are

And what GPU are you running right now?

For disclosure i'm running an RTX 2070 Super, and i like it....

robwigan · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:31

humbug said:
Grim5 i see an awesome RTX 3090 proudly flexed in your signature, are you going skip Nvidia's coming generations and buy Intel? No.

I'm not having a go, i've bought serval Nvidia GPU's over the last few years too, i'm just making a point.

And what GPU are you running right now?

For disclosure i'm running an RTX 2070 Super, and i like it....

Really ? I don’t have one so that’s weird . I have sold a 2060 and wiaiting to buy something soon depends what amd do, the biggest gpu users on steam are using cards around the 2060 performance area. Intel is targeting this first and amd well they have yet to show what they are going to do.

And lots of people have bought lots of nvidia gpus, correct me if wrong as I well could be but they haven’t been viewed this negatively before. The leaked meeting talking about market manipulation, the re badged 4070 with a 4080 price tag and the general price of thr 4080 and 90 has them being viewed I think (and I could be well wrong here as iv not looked at this stuff in ages) worse than they have been in a long time.

Joxeon · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:33

humbug said:
Its what i have been trying to tell people, i don't need 90 vs 120 FPS, what i need is more VRam.

The GPU i have is mostly fine for my needs, apart from Volumetric Clouds in Star Citizen, which absolutely murder it, i just need a bigger buffer.

The 770 16gb sounds perfect for you

humbug · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:34

robwigan said:
Really ? I don’t have one so that’s weird . I have sold a 2060 and wiaiting to buy something soon depends what amd do, the biggest gpu users on steam are using cards around the 2060 performance area. Intel is targeting this first and amd well they have yet to show what they are going to do.

They already have it, its the RX 6600 series, its cheap, its efficient, it just works.... but you can't buy that, because its doesn't have DLSS and the RT is rubbish. RTX 3060 series is better. it costs more but its worth more....

robwigan · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:37

humbug said:
They already have it, its the RX 6600 series, its cheap, its efficient, it just works.... but you can't buy that, because its doesn't have DLSS and the RT is rubbish. RTX 3060 series is better. it costs more but its worth more...

It wasn’t aggressively priced to go against the 3060 it was quite similar . That’s why I’m saying the announcement could be what does it…. They could announce their cards the same way and then it makes no difference. I’m not saying amd are the answer I’m saying all these issues combined with a good announcement here could be very very bad

humbug · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:44

robwigan said:
It wasn’t aggressively priced to go against the 3060 it was quite similar . That’s why I’m saying the announcement could be what does it…. They could announce their cards the same way and then it makes no difference. I’m not saying amd are the answer I’m saying all these issues combined with a good announcement here could be very very bad

The RX 6600 starts at £279, its bar a few % on par with the RTX 3060 in raster, which starts at £368, £90 more

The 8GB A770 when it goes on sale will start at £350, right in the middle between them, actually only slightly under the RTX 3060, like i said Intel are ignoring AMD.

Which would you recommend?

Joxeon · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:52

So Intel can sell a card with a 6nm 400mm2 die and 16gb VRAM for $350 yet nvidia is charging $1200 for a 5nm 400mm2 die and 16gb VRAM, unless Intel is selling at a loss Nvidias markup on the 4080 16gb must be crazy.

The_Arbiter · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:53

There's more to this than just pricing. Intel has a plan and aren't ignoring AMD at all, it's impossible to given there's only two brands in it currently.

robwigan · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:53

humbug · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:54

Joxeon said:
So Intel can sell a card with a 6nm 400mm2 die and 16gb VRAM for $350 yet nvidia is charging $1200 for a 5nm 400mm2 die and 16gb VRAM, unless Intel is selling at a loss Nvidias markup on the 4080 16gb must be crazy.

£350 for the 8GB, the 16GB one is more like £380.

Also...

humbug said:
Under Raja Koduri leadership AMD were knocking out massive GPU's with low performance that were also problematic, sound familiar?

Did we give AMD any sympathy for that? No off course not, they were widely ridiculed for it, and rightly so, i should add. And Yes AMD lost money on every one they sold.

Right, so, Intel's GPU's are not only huge for the level of performance, they also don't work unless you have ReBar enabled, if you don't have a ReBar capable Motherboard then forget it, and even then really only in DX12 and Vulkan games, that's provided the drivers don't completely #### up your entire windows install, and those features Intel keep banging on about; yeah they don't work either...

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robwigan · 30 Sep 2022 at 21:57

humbug said:
The RX 6600 starts at £279, its bar a few % on par with the RTX 3060 in raster, which starts at £368, £90 more

The 8GB A770 when it goes on sale will start at £350, right in the middle between them, actually only slightly under the RTX 3060, like i said Intel are ignoring AMD.

Which would you recommend?

Well I’m referring to the issues being with the 4000 series cards it’s announcement and their profile because of it, 3060 is about to br a legacy product.

People aren’t rushing out to buy either of those right now. My recommendation would buy neither and see what happens in the next few weeks, as everyone has correctly already suggested to me. If the already announced 40 series is anything to go by there is going to be a significant jump in price of the 4060 etc making the arc a significant interest to those it’s aimed at which are people that aren’t spending 800 on gpus.

Do you really think if the 4060 is priced like the 4080 has been In mark up that buyers won’t consider amd or intel? That’s ultimately what I’m saying will happen in my arse about way. There is no way in my option If amd price aggressively here and intel is ok that people won’t change who they buy a gpu from. Even without a codon of living crisis why would I give two hoots about being loyal to a gpu brand pulling
My pants down.