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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

uscool said:
Also its competing with current gen AMD and Nvidia which are gonna be replaced really soon

I hope AMD has something good this time and lower over what Nvidia is offering as you say I like underdogs not to the point if it performs worse for not much less
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It's a first generation product, if you could break into a market and beat people with decades of history on your first try... Fair play to you I guess.

To get close is the thing to focus on. The hard work is done which is starting.
 
rexehuk said:
It's a first generation product, if you could break into a market and beat people with decades of history on your first try... Fair play to you I guess.

To get close is the thing to focus on. The hard work is done which is starting.
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too many flaws for me to consider right now and AMD and Nvidia are about to release next gen card while intel are competing with current gen so yeah not interested maybe in the future :) Intel are big enough if they really wanna compete they need to show it with a great product and value :)
 
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rexehuk said:
It's a first generation product, if you could break into a market and beat people with decades of history on your first try... Fair play to you I guess.

To get close is the thing to focus on. The hard work is done which is starting.
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Its actually Intel's 3'rd attempt, Larrabee, DG1, this is DG2.

Its also not Raja Koduri's first go at this, he used to work for AMD, what he did there was Vega, Vega 56, 64 and the Radeon VII, AMD 'let him go' He and his team are now at Intel, the result is DG2, ARC. And its suspiciously similar to Vega in every measurable way.
 
rexehuk said:
Cause the performance won't improve. The performance per dollar in months will be better or nearer a 3070 I reckon.
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yea in games yet to come out it will surely have better performance

but not fast enough for 3440x1440 @ 144hz or I'd buy one.

Thinking of getting a 4090 suporim :S
 
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rexehuk said:
Cause the performance won't improve. The performance per dollar in months will be better or nearer a 3070 I reckon.
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You are mental - In 6 / 12 months the card wont stand in any better standings vs the competition - I would put a good bit of money on it. I'm going to buy one for my spare rig and probably sell my VII that is in that but I don't for a minute believe it's competitive position will be any better in a year.
 
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Vince said:
You are mental - In 6 / 12 months the card wont stand in any better standings vs the competition - I would put a good bit of money on it. I'm going to buy one for my spare rig and probably sell my VII that is in that but I don't for a minute believe it's competitive position will be any better in a year.
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Yeah maybe, but £300 is nothing, whereas 1.3k is sheer insanity, not taking part and doth my hat to the new generation.

I think a simple fact is, I don't need/want an insanely expensive card as I won't get an ROI. I play a lot of original COH, some DCS, Beyond all reason, so don't need a 4090 or 4080 at the prices they try to entertain. If when we see a rebalance back to £500~ sure.

I just can't justify the high price vs buying some nice speakers or fine wines or a holiday, I'd get more enjoyment doing that. Sorry if this goes against the whole "LOOK AT ME I SPENT 1.5k ON A GPU" Tiktok generation. To put it more in perspective as a value proposition... 1.5k would get me a pure bred puppy, which will be me up to 15 YEARS of continuous enjoyment and others. A GPU for the same cost, would give me some extra frames in games I would already enjoy regardless...
 
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rexehuk said:
Yeah maybe, but £300 is nothing, whereas 1.3k is sheer insanity, not taking part and doth my hat to the new generation.

I think a simple fact is, I don't need/want an insanely expensive card as I won't get an ROI. I play a lot of original COH, some DCS, Beyond all reason, so don't need a 4090 or 4080 at the prices they try to entertain. If when we see a rebalance back to £500~ sure.

I just can't justify the high price vs buying some nice speakers or fine wines or a holiday, I'd get more enjoyment doing that. Sorry if this goes against the whole "LOOK AT ME I SPENT 1.5k ON A GPU" Tiktok generation. To put it more in perspective as a value proposition... 1.5k would get me a pure bred puppy, which will be me up to 15 YEARS of continuous enjoyment and others. A GPU for the same cost, would give me some extra frames in games I would already enjoy regardless...
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But the competition will also be releasing lower and mid tier cards very soon

I don't bother with very top end way to expensive for me prefer to get good value at 1440p with nice headroom

While intel are just competing against 2 year old AMD and Nvidia cards

Yes it's great to have a 3rd player will only benefit the consumer but first attempt I would stay well away
 
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uscool said:
But the competition will also be releasing lower and mid tier cards very soon

While intel are just competing against 2 year old AMD and Nvidia cards

Yes it's great to have a 3rd player will only benefit the consumer but first attempt I would stay well away
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I'm waiting until the cards are out, then making my call. But unless AMD blow everyone away with some drastic pricing strategy I don't think it's going to budge Intel price offering.

Also missing benchies at the moment for games I play at ultrawide 1440 - so need to see I won't be dead on perf.
 
rexehuk said:
Yeah maybe, but £300 is nothing, whereas 1.3k is sheer insanity, not taking part and doth my hat to the new generation.

I think a simple fact is, I don't need/want an insanely expensive card as I won't get an ROI. I play a lot of original COH, some DCS, Beyond all reason, so don't need a 4090 or 4080 at the prices they try to entertain. If when we see a rebalance back to £500~ sure.

I just can't justify the high price vs buying some nice speakers or fine wines or a holiday, I'd get more enjoyment doing that. Sorry if this goes against the whole "LOOK AT ME I SPENT 1.5k ON A GPU" Tiktok generation. To put it more in perspective as a value proposition... 1.5k would get me a pure bred puppy, which will be me up to 15 YEARS of continuous enjoyment and others. A GPU for the same cost, would give me some extra frames in games I would already enjoy regardless...
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At £300 a 6700xt will wreck arc and is a much better option. I have the 6800xt in my main rig and it's a fantastic card. As I said earlier on if I actually want to reliably use the PC as well then ARC isnt really an option. Honestly even with the above accounted for, you know life and stuff, arc is still a poor choice.

Also at ultrawide it's even more of a risk when pretty much all the benchmarks are at 16:9 resolutions. I think the only valid reasons to buy arc over any other card are 1) curiosity and you fancy playing with something new and a bit different but the same and worse. 2) Dont mind being bent over by Intels software stack and would like to experience how that feels. I'm not even hating, I am going to buy one but we have to be realistic.
 
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Has there been any talk from Gibbo as to if they are going to be selling them here? Oddly quiet for a new set of cards, implies OC isn't going to be selling them?
 
Miganto said:
Has there been any talk from Gibbo as to if they are going to be selling them here? Oddly quiet for a new set of cards, implies OC isn't going to be selling them?
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There were some rumours before that the release to consumers will be very much a none event. A few for US sites like the rainforest and the 'egg but even there very limited. Then the rest of the stock passed on to OEMs.

Guess that rumour would be Intel being able to tell their shareholders that they released and not much more.

Realistically for consumers the price would have to be under $200 for them to sell, and Intel are not happy to sell a 400mm²+ 6nm chip for so little, but the inconsistency of their performance doesn't merit a higher price.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
430 EUR for 770, DOA.

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Intel Arc A770 Limited Edition is now listed in Germany for 431 EUR - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc A770 costs 430 EUR According to European price comparison website, the cheapest Arc A770 Limited Edition costs 430 EUR. Although Intel discrete desktop Arc A7 GPUs were already tested by international media, Intel has not provided an official price for the European market. The A770...
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That's £377, pretty much exactly where the MSRP is.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Still DOA. Half price within a month if it's any but a paper release.
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The Pound to Dollar ratio has changed but you could buy an RTX 2070 Super for £450 easily back when that was new. Today the A770 is a bit cheaper, not much, and the performance you get for that is identical, its identical to a GPU that's now getting for 3 years old and was roughly similar in price.

I don't want to hear Intel are here to save us from price inflation nonsense from people, they are clearly not.

On top of that this chart is pretty kind to it, many others have it below the 6600XT, which would make it around a 2070 none Super.

This isn't even a budget card, £400 is getting up there for a GPU. Its not £220 for an RX 580 is it?

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So my view on this hasn't really changed since what I wrote in May last year:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/intel-xe-gpu-speculation.18929566/post-34831643 said:
My expectation is that it won't match 3070 in gaming performance. Driver maturity will be an issue, NV/AMD have a couple of decades under their belts in terms of tuning drivers for high end gaming parts. I honestly think people are kidding themselves if they expect it to compete at that sort of level, as we get closer to launch people will be looking at the hardware and making interpolations that get people's hopes up, but if people have such high expectations I reckon they will be sorely disappointed when the benchmarks on launch drivers hit.

I hope I'm proven wrong but that's just how I see it, you look back historically and drivers have always held back challengers to NV/3dfx and AMD/ATI, i.e. PowerVR, S3, Matrox etc had some really interesting technology but let down by naff drivers or lack of adoption by developers. Admittedly the adoption of generic APIs like DX12/Vulkan should made things easier for developers but there might be some optimisations in there for NV/ATI that won't have been made for Intel day1.

What Intel need to do is target the lower midrange segment, where the big boys aren't offering much of late, price competitively (their size and manufacturing capability can help here) and grab market share. This will in term give them a platform to build on in terms of polishing the drivers ahead of future releases perhaps targeted more at the upper midrange.
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The issue they may have is not heeding my advice to price competitively, they need to get an installed base to make game developers take notice and can kick on with improved drivers, targeting the next generation to make some inroads with a more complete package. The actual raw performance - if you ignore outliers on specific games - isn't that bad, doesn't look THAT far behind a 1080ti.

Timing wise, they are also a bit late to the party, had they got this out 6 months ago when GPU prices were elevated a ~£375 pricetag would look kind of OK because you couldn't actually get a 3060 for that, you were talking RX6600. They must be kicking themselves on missing out on the perfect opportunity to make hay in the prime 2021-mid2022 market.
 
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