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Intel Arc series unveiled with the Alchemist dGPU to arrive in Q1 2022

StephenJ said:
It does not help intel that they are trying to pretend amd do not exist
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I don't think they are serious, i have no doubt they were very serious when they started out on this venture, but it turns out its a lot more difficult than they antisipated, its going to require significantly more time and more investment, a lot more money, they figure its not worth it unless they can prove they get a return on that investment right now, they need to prove they can sell against AMD, at least, they need to prove they have the potential to relegate AMD to a third rate level position, that is not competition, that is Intel asking if they can get people to see them as a premium, like Nvidia, because if they can't its not worth it.
 
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I get the argument that we need competition, i agree with it, but we need to think very carefully about how we receive this or we will sleep walk in to yet another bad situation of our own making.

Intel are in it for the money, as are AMD, but Intel are no where near as good at designing CPU's as efficiently as AMD, CPU's are Intel's speciality, how do you think Intel will compete with AMD designing GPU's more efficiently than Nvidia? By making YOU pay for it.
 
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I wonder if Intel should just give away a very large number of cards? Say 10,000 or so? I'm going to take a wild guess that the manufacturing cost is around £100 so this is a campaign that would cost perhaps £2M. And it would seed the market and provide an installed base of beta testers. Even giving away 50,000 would only cost them $10M.
 
Alchemist performance is bad, its as bad as i expected.
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Oh come off it...... This guy, at the beginning of this year he said, and i quote, Intel ARC will be as fast as an RTX 3070, perhaps as fast as a 3070Ti, if you don't believe that you're an idiot, This is Intel we are talking about.

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Intel A770 Analysis: Will ARC age like Fine Wine? Is this the Competition we need?

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Quartz said:
I wonder if Intel should just give away a very large number of cards? Say 10,000 or so? I'm going to take a wild guess that the manufacturing cost is around £100 so this is a campaign that would cost perhaps £2M. And it would seed the market and provide an installed base of beta testers. Even giving away 50,000 would only cost them $10M.
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They can do that just by reducing the price to $250.
 
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Vince said:
Because intel are years behind in interconnect tech. No surprises here.
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Its what annoys me the most about Intel, they have a sniffy disparaging attitude toward their peers that is wholly unjustified.

They talk a lot about how much money they have, how much of it they can throw away, just recently they told Steve Burke this in reassuring him they are serious about ARC.
But when it actually comes down to it they aren't willing to take the hit they need to to get it off the ground, that's why i say they aren't serious about this.
They need people to buy it, to build up a user base, and right now that means taking a loss on them, they may have to do that for a couple of years before they have ironed out its problems and gained a fan base, it might be a decade before they make their investment back.

This is A-Typical for Intel, there is a lot of talk, bluster and hot air which in the end always amounts to nothing, AMD's Glue, AMD don't have much money, AMD are back in the rear view mirror..... while AMD are knocking out GLUED 128 core Zen 4 chips and Intel can't even keep up with AMD's now EOL GLUED 64 core Zen 3 chips.

Its so disappointing with this, i'm really jaded over it because i should have know better, Intel are always going to Intel.
 
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Quartz said:
I wonder if Intel should just give away a very large number of cards? Say 10,000 or so? I'm going to take a wild guess that the manufacturing cost is around £100 so this is a campaign that would cost perhaps £2M. And it would seed the market and provide an installed base of beta testers. Even giving away 50,000 would only cost them $10M.
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That campaign theoretically has more customers than the entire product potential. The user feedback would need to be incredible to get any more sales.
 
This is really odd, or perhaps it isn't?

As he says the game that people keep pointing to as "the performance of the future" is Strange Brigade, MLID, and kudos to him for realising this, points out that Vega also loved Strange Brigade, so did Vega mature in to this performance across the board? No, it didn't.

But more over, and once again, Vega is the same GPU created by the same team and leadership that created ARC, the evidence that ARC is Vega Mk2 is piling up...

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Intel A770 Analysis: Will ARC age like Fine Wine? Is this the Competition we need?

Alchemist is launching…will it age well? Should you support it out of principal? How easy will it be to buy? [SPONSOR: Get 10% off Healthy, High Protein Ram...
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glue/tape on the outer fascia as well that then sealed in the air chamber where you'd expect heat soak as no air gaps for heat to escape.
 
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I know there is a lot of negativity in this thread but I think ARC for a first attempt coming into a market where the 2 competitors have had a 20 year head start is quite impressive.

Drivers etc take time and have to be built up as there is so many games on the market that need work in optimising and both competitors already have this work done so they only need to focus on new releases.

RT seems to be on par with ampere which is impressive for a first attempt considering RDNA1 didn't even have RT and also suffered with driver issues.

XESS is also available at launch compared to FSR which users had to wait around 8 months for with RDNA2.
 
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