They didn't test the B580 with any other CPU either until this problem came to light.
Again, the suggestion of bias. Did we not see a glowingly positive review already from HUB and pretty much everyone about the B580?
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Again, the suggestion of bias. Did we not see a glowingly positive review already from HUB and pretty much everyone about the B580?
I've just watched the video (which you clearly haven't).
As said, he tests both the 4060 and 7600 with the 5600, and tests at 1080p, 1440p and 1440p with upscaling (which is the most realistic use-case).
CPU utlisation figures are a red herring - you can be at 50-60% utlisation and be bottlenecked. This isn't a metric in any other GPU review for this reason. The problem existing at lower-end CPUs and not at higher end is enough data to make a decision for yourself.
Again, this forum and other social media seems to think that Youtube reviewers presenting data somehow makes their purchase decision or opinion invalid. It doesn't. If you're happy with your buy, then you should still be just as happy now as you were before these videos. Your graphics card doesn't have feelings.
I beg to differ. If you are claiming that CPU utilisation is the issue then you need to provide data that backs up your claim. Right now all we know is that the issue occurs in some games on lower CPUs. How do we know (for example) that it isn't a case of cache usage? If HUB are claiming that it's a CPU utilisation issue but providing no data to support that then their claim must be taken with a pinch of salt.
They're not saying it's a CPU utlisation issue. They don't claim to know what the problem is. They're simply giving you the data they have, and that it seems to corrolate with CPU-intensive games.. They've also said that in their upcoming 50-game benchmark the B580 is 5% faster than the 4060 and 7600, which is below what their original review stated. And that's with the 9800X3D.
It's not the job of HUB to figure out what is causing this performance hit, just to inform that it exists. It's Intel's job to figure it out.
Are you suggesting that there's an Illuminati-style conspiracy against the B580? Because HUB are apparently biased against Nvidia, AMD and Intel so you might be onto something.
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I could have sworn they made that very statement in the video.
Nope. "Overhead in CPU limited scenarios" was the description.
Again, this isn't the fault of Hardware Canucks or HUB. The data is there, it's up to you whether this makes or breaks the part for you. I've got no dog in this race so it makes no odds to me.
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For some reason people need external validation after their purchase. I see it in the comment section of car reviews on youtube, google reviews of restuarants, etc. It's kind of funny.
There were even people getting angry at Gamers Nexus when the Raptor Lake scandal was popping off... like it was his fault
For some reason people need external validation after their purchase. I see it in the comment section of car reviews on youtube, google reviews of restuarants, etc. It's kind of funny.
There were even people getting angry at Gamers Nexus when the Raptor Lake scandal was popping off... like it was his fault
I was accused of being a Nv/AMD fanboy in another thread because I recommended people hang fire on buying the card to replace a 3060, or other mid range prior gen cards, on mid range systems with older CPU's.
Felt very much like projection to me, and possible buyers remorse. I stopped suggesting the B580 in builds because of the newer data out there, black and white info that isn't biased. Maybe it can be fixed, who knows? That doesn't mean people should gamble on the fact, utterly ridiculous takes from some of late.
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Personally I’d still be buying the B580 if I was in the market for a £250 GPU, even after the latest HUB video. I’m not sure how anyone could have complaints over that upload tbh. The last video did feel a bit bandwagon jumping, to get in on the HC finding, but this was extremely in-depth.
I do still want to see lower Intel CPUs thrown in the mix though.
On the flip-side of this problem, and it is a problem, you do have quite a lot of drama/nonsense being spouted on social media. Potential buyers need to sift through the BS and work out if this will be an issue for them. Certainly if I had an old CPU, and wasn’t looking to upgrade it any time soon, I’d think twice.
I do still want to see lower Intel CPUs thrown in the mix though.
On the flip-side of this problem, and it is a problem, you do have quite a lot of drama/nonsense being spouted on social media. Potential buyers need to sift through the BS and work out if this will be an issue for them. Certainly if I had an old CPU, and wasn’t looking to upgrade it any time soon, I’d think twice.
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You’re clearly missing the point where this is use case based… I’ve moved from a 3060 to a B580 - but I have a 12600k and play at 1440p - so these ‘issues’ don’t really affect me - even although, there’s since been interim solutions using DVK etc which goes some way to resolving the issues at 1080p…
Also, unlike most people commenting - even those with no dogs in the race - I have a physical B580 and have done my own testing and comparison and I’m happy that it is an upgrade over the 3060.. so much so that the 3060 will be making its way to eBay in the very near future
That's the thing isn't it, the testing shows there are many games where the issue isn't a problem and would still represent a good buy. How long that is after the new Radeon budget cards come out (and Nvidia if they even bother) remains to be seen. Reviewers have to rate and test a part as a whole and not based on specific scenarios though.
Despite these issues, it's a net positive for everyone if Intel compete at any price bracket.
Good for you
that's exactly the point I made earlier on.
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DPD delievered my Sparkle Titan late last night (it's a little snowy and icy in my neck of the woods so many thanks for their effort) ordered on the 16th so at the lower price.
Manged to get it installed and working aftermuch frustration with a display cable not working for the card at all just no signal on the monitor, cable works well with previous card and my work laptop so :shrug:
It seems fine with my 5700X3D on the one or two games I play as get the good FPS so a happy customer here.
I'm waiting on the release of Space Engineers 2 later this month which is supposed to be a heavy CPU game so wil see how it goes then.
Manged to get it installed and working aftermuch frustration with a display cable not working for the card at all just no signal on the monitor, cable works well with previous card and my work laptop so :shrug:
It seems fine with my 5700X3D on the one or two games I play as get the good FPS so a happy customer here.
I'm waiting on the release of Space Engineers 2 later this month which is supposed to be a heavy CPU game so wil see how it goes then.
If you're happy with the card that's grand, it's not enough uplift for me to view it as a worthwhile upgrade but I'm not the one spending the money.
You're also missing the bit where you bought it largely due to aesthetic, you could have got a better card for similar money but went with Intel at least in part because you wanted something white to match your build.
That's absolutely fine and valid reasoning for yourself, it's a personal choice and I don't necessarily disagree with it. It might be a less positive choice for others in a similar boat, individual needs are of course king.
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My B580 Challenger arrived yesterday, been trying it out on all sorts of different games and it works great paired with my 12700k, no overhead issues at all (not that I was expecting any).
Definitely a sizeable upgrade over my 1070ti, and one I'm glad I made.
Definitely a sizeable upgrade over my 1070ti, and one I'm glad I made.
I started testing the B580 last night with 3D Mark and Battlefield.
3D Mark TS
www.3dmark.com
That puts it in the ball park of a 4060Ti
In terms of battlefield, running at 1440P on low settings, I seemed to average 120-150fps, which I wasn't expecting, so I have been quite impressed.
The whole system from the wall including cooling was drawing around ~350w (285K / MORA / Fans / D5 / etc.. ) in the game.
3D Mark TS
I scored 15 774 in Time Spy
Intel Core Ultra 9 Processor 285K, Intel Arc B580 x 1, 49152 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
www.3dmark.com
That puts it in the ball park of a 4060Ti
In terms of battlefield, running at 1440P on low settings, I seemed to average 120-150fps, which I wasn't expecting, so I have been quite impressed.
The whole system from the wall including cooling was drawing around ~350w (285K / MORA / Fans / D5 / etc.. ) in the game.
I've read a bunch of material about it and generally this seems to be just human nature. We are tribal beings by nature and most of humans follow the crowd. And if for some reason people decide to do differently than majority, they often feel insecure about it. It's just in the core nature of humans, part of survival instinct, so very powerful. That said, small amount of the population (not just humans) seem to be going against the stream and these are the ones that are very happy buying less popular products - that also seems to be very necessary for species survival, as if everyone did the same thing, species wouldn't survive in the long term (by being much slower to adapt to changes, etc.).
Sadly, corporations learned how to abuse this in their marketing and here we are.
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I don't think it's 3DMark position has ever been in doubt - sadly that's just a synthetic result that Intel's drivers have been optimised for since day 13D Mark TS
I scored 15 774 in Time Spy
Intel Core Ultra 9 Processor 285K, Intel Arc B580 x 1, 49152 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
That puts it in the ball park of a 4060Ti
Review: Intel ARC B580 Limited Edition graphics card (Page 21)
It's time to review test and analyze the new Battlemage series GPU from Intel, yes the Intel ARC B580 Limited Edition (reference card) with 12GB graphics memory.
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It's actual game performance however puts it a decent step behind the 4060Ti
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As have, it must be noted, Nvidia's and AMD's drivers. It is, therefore, a valid comparison.
Eh?
A 4060Ti appears in basically the same place in the two charts above, so does a 7600XT, or more or less any of the AMD, NVIDIA cards.
The B580 appears artificially inflated in the 3DMark chart compared to it's actual game performance. How you can suggest therefore that it's a valid comparison makes no sense, beyond your own Purchase Justification Reflex.