Nope, I think AMD's statement was actually pretty good. Intel on the other hand, well I think they would happily implicate anyone to save face. Now Intel can reap their just earned benefits to the amazement of their fans.
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Intel bug incoming? Meltdown and Spectre exploits
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Nope, I think AMD's statement was actually pretty good. Intel on the other hand, well I think they would happily implicate anyone to save face. Now Intel can reap their just earned benefits to the amazement of their fans.
That isn't to say they are particularly hit by it - but its showing that they used word play to deflect - hence the legal action.
The plaintiff's timing of events looks like it really works against him. Just a lazy opportunist and a poor one at that.
AMD’s optional microcode update does send out a bit of mixed message.
I am also surprised they are not putting mitigations into their GPU driver. Surely their driver code, running at the kernel level, needs the same kind of side channel protection that Nvidia added recently.
I am also surprised they are not putting mitigations into their GPU driver. Surely their driver code, running at the kernel level, needs the same kind of side channel protection that Nvidia added recently.
Intel admit Microcode updates potentially cause reboots on more processors , Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge, Skylake, and Kaby Lake
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/fir...ial-performance-data-for-data-center-systems/
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/fir...ial-performance-data-for-data-center-systems/
I agree, I think they need to be clearer with their messaging here. Either admit they now know the risk is non-zero but still low, hence the updates, or that they are simply releasing them as a matter of hardening despite still believing there is near-zero risk.
AMD's GPU drivers haven't been stable for a long time, they all seem like beta releases to be honest. I am not surprised they haven't said anything about Spectre mitigations since they have so many other bugs to fix. In fact I'd rather they focus on that than keep adding new features that break even more stuff.
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The thing is that those of us on Haswell or older are likely to be left out of any bios updates anyway. My board isn't on the Asus list that are getting updates and they abandoned Z87 years ago. The same thing for my wifes Gigabyte B85 motherboard. Haswell is still a excellent performer so to be left hanging like this is unacceptable.
I hope the people who feel as you do don't in turn jump in excitement at the i7-9700K's 5% FPS advantage and use that to justify its purchase over the competition. If Intel's business doesn't suffer as a result of this, I will lose all hope in the PC industry. Short term memories, huh?
Yes I'm still on Sandy bridge on x79.
Slightly encouraged Intel mention Sandy in that blog , hoping that means updates soon. Then of course needs MSI to release a bios..
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Intel will no doubt release a fix for all its processors in due course - the legal ramifications of the first major hack are simply too large to ignore. If the patch exists before this happens Intel are covered, as the customer was at fault for not installing.
Unfortunately I cannot see motherboard manufacturers patching the billions of older boards they insist on saturating the market with.
Unfortunately I cannot see motherboard manufacturers patching the billions of older boards they insist on saturating the market with.
Thanks, I was just about to update my Skylakes. The press release did make me chuckle; they're patting themselves on the back for releasing updates for 90% of recent CPUs and then admit that they are all prone to increased reboots.
Indeed, but if one of them does go back as far as SandyBridge and the rest don't, then they'll get my money if i'm forced to upgrade. Might be clutching at straws a bit, but hey.
Whelp darn, I'm all patched up with my 6700K and haven't yet noticed any abnormal behaviors ....
They never deflected at all. They tackled the problem head on by saying near zero risk and specified exactly which vulnerability they were at risk to.
Unlike Intel whose first line of defence was to say "yes we are at risk to the vulnerabilities discovered, but so are ARM and AMD CPUs", without giving any context as to which vulnerabilities each vendor was specifically vulnerable to.
These investors are just suing because they are greedy, surprise, surprise. This court case will get no where because it amounts to an absurd troll by some mad investors. As the comments in that article rightly say, it's a load of bs.
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I hope the people who feel as you do don't in turn jump in excitement at the i7-9700K's 5% FPS advantage and use that to justify its purchase over the competition. If Intel's business doesn't suffer as a result of this, I will lose all hope in the PC industry. Short term memories, huh?
I wasn't planning on upgrading for another couple of years as the 4790k is still a excellent cpu. When I do finally upgrade I doubt if it will be Intel this time as their prices are just ridiculous and no doubt are going to get even worse. I just need AMD to release a cpu with much better single core performance than the current Ryzen is. If they are unable to get on par with Intel with regards to single core performance then I expect that this will be the last pc that I will have built using all new components due to the massive price rises that are happening (memory especially).
That's the thing though, Intel may have released updates to the manufacturers but will they pass them on to older platforms. It certainly doesn't look like Asus will after looking at the list posted earlier in this thread and there is no sign of Gigabyte updating older platforms either. That is leaving a huge percentage of worldwide computers vulnerable to exploits and that is just unacceptable.
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I hope the people who feel as you do don't in turn jump in excitement at the i7-9700K's 5% FPS advantage and use that to justify its purchase over the competition. If Intel's business doesn't suffer as a result of this, I will lose all hope in the PC industry. Short term memories, huh?
I said it earlier in the thread but I'll say it again: if Intel screw us over with updates for older motherboards, thereby obliging us to upgrade I absolutely guarantee you I won't be buying Intel again and the same goes for motherboard manufacturers who abandon their hardware.
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How long is reasonable for a mobo though, they may often work fine for 5 to 10 years, but it seems rare to get BIOS updates after 2
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"near zero" as it turns out they legally couldn't say "no vulnerabilities we are aware of" :s the fact Intel have handled it worse doesn't/wouldn't excuse AMD.
The reason for the vague answers from both vendors is that these are incredibly complex side channel attacks. It's been proven that Intel CPUs going way back can be made to spaff kernel memory where it shouldn't. So far this method (meltdown) has not been shown to affect contemporary AMD CPUs. This isn't to say that a variation of meltdown couldn't be used against AMD silicon, it just hasn't so far.
If you can get unfettered access to hardware you can also sniff data as it passes along various busses etc via electromagnetic radiation. This is probably the first time that "modern" CPUs have been shown to spill their guts internally
If you can get unfettered access to hardware you can also sniff data as it passes along various busses etc via electromagnetic radiation. This is probably the first time that "modern" CPUs have been shown to spill their guts internally