Intel Cannonlake, Cascade Lake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake & Sapphire Rapid thread

[Robert896r1]

Mesh needs to be oc’d independently to get gaming performance out of intel HEDT.

 

[humbug]

Mesh needs to be oc’d independently to get gaming performance out of intel HEDT.

Its does and that is what they did.

IF on Zen + overclocks with the RAM.

 

[LePhuronn]

I meant whichever Threadripper 3 chip will be a similar retail price, which I assume would be the 24c/48t version but we don't know yet.

If previous generations are anything to go by, double the cores and double the price. So if the 12 core 3900X is £500 then expect the 24 core to be a grand. Should a 16 core TR appear it would probably be £150 over the 3950X. £1,500 for the 32 core?

 

[4K8KW10]

By "some results", you mean "the best results". I'm also not sure what the point of those comparisons really is, given it's an HEDT chip. Shouldn't it be compared against the i9-9980XE and Threadripper 2950X (in terms of product class), or i9-9900X and Threadripper 2950X/2970WX (in terms of price)?

The biggest question is how it performs against the equivalent Threadripper 3 part, but current rumours indicate there won't be a 16c/32t chip. So basically it'll have to be compared to the R9 3950X (with the caveats that it's not an HEDT chip) or a probably similarly priced R9 3960X.

Some results just as up to.
Ryzen 9 3900X is semi-HEDT, in the worst case, in the more neutral case it's pure HEDT disguised for some strange reason as "MSDT". It is not.
Prices confirm.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Asrock X570 Aqua (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset EATX Motherboard= £949.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Twelve Core 4.6GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £578.99

Total: £1,540.08 (includes shipping: £11.10)​

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Intel's Z390 boards do not cost as much.

 

[Woodsta888]

Intel's Z390 boards do not cost as much.

You chose a limited run, water cooled motherboard as the 'price' of X570 boards?

 

[Grim5]

Mesh needs to be oc’d independently to get gaming performance out of intel HEDT.

that's why I can't take the results seriously for games.

i need to see a review where someone has done proper overclocking on the core, mesh and memory

 

[4K8KW10]

You chose a limited run, water cooled motherboard as the 'price' of X570 boards?

One can choose others as well, not that much cheaper.
I expect the most expensive AM4 CPU to have the option of going with the most expensive AM4 board.

Also, E-ATX boards are specced as "Extended ATX (standard) | Designed for dual CPUs, and quad double slot video cards."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

 

[Doobedoo]

One can choose others as well, not that much cheaper.
I expect the most expensive AM4 CPU to have the option of going with the most expensive AM4 board.

Also, E-ATX boards are specced as "Extended ATX (standard) | Designed for dual CPUs, and quad double slot video cards."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

I paid £250 for my Tachi it’ll run a 3900 just as well as the ones you chose.

 

[Boot_Loop]

One can choose others as well, not that much cheaper.

Yeah, only £500 cheaper, not much that...

 

[Woodsta888]

One can choose others as well, not that much cheaper.
I expect the most expensive AM4 CPU to have the option of going with the most expensive AM4 board.
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So on OCUK shop, you go motherboards, AMD and X570, sort price high to low, then pick the top six from 34?

Loooooooooooooooooool

Man, you funny.

 

[sandys]

No it wont, Skylake X suffers from the same problem in games that Ryzen / Threadripper does, SkyLake X has a Mesh architecture, the Ring Bus in Coffeelake doesn't work beyond 10 cores.

Skylake X Mesh is actually far worse than AMD's Infinity Fabric, the gaming difference in IPC is about minus 15% Mesh vs Ring Bus, Minus 10% vs Zen + and minus 25% vs Zen 2.

Gaming by IPC, 'Not clock speed' where Coffeelake has the advantage and makes it the best Gaming CPU. By a small margin.

The Intel platform can be clocked very well for performance whereas AMD stuff is out near its limit due to the binning they do.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Intels new old stuff does.

 

[tommoT.Striker]

In those benchmarks the 3900x is at stock too like the 10980XE. If the 3900x is only getting 7076 in cinebench, plenty more left in the tank to overclock to 7600+.

 

[oweneades]

So on OCUK shop, you go motherboards, AMD and X570, sort price high to low, then pick the top six from 34?

Loooooooooooooooooool

Man, you funny.

Yeah that was the weirdest post I have seen for a while..

As for the benchmarks the real interesting comparison would be 10980XE vs 3950x vs Entry level Threadripper "3xxx" across a multitude of use cases.

I have a Rampage VI Extreme feeling lonely on my display shelf so I might have to find out myself.. (Will most likely replace my 3900X with a 3950X for no other reason than I want too).

 

[Grim5]

In those benchmarks the 3900x is at stock too like the 10980XE. If the 3900x is only getting 7076 in cinebench, plenty more left in the tank to overclock to 7600+.

3900x doesn't get much overclocking
Most games perform exactly the same between pbo and auto oc on or off

meanwhile the cascade lake x parts will get significant gains by overclocking the core and mesh

 

[RavenXXX2]

cascade is doa v TR3 looking at the results, the 18 core is not much faster than the 3900x lol.

 

[Panos]

I paid £250 for my Tachi it’ll run a 3900 just as well as the ones you chose.

Bought mine £224 on release, haven't looked back either
Hell atm have an MP600 on CPU pcie 4.0 slot, and 2 NVME on raid 0 to the bios wired slots, with BIOS to CPU at 4.0. Everything flies

 

[Panos]

Some results just as up to.
Ryzen 9 3900X is semi-HEDT, in the worst case, in the more neutral case it's pure HEDT disguised for some strange reason as "MSDT". It is not.
Prices confirm.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Asrock X570 Aqua (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset EATX Motherboard= £949.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Twelve Core 4.6GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £578.99

Total: £1,540.08 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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Intel's Z390 boards do not cost as much.

Taichi which is a great board goes for £220-240 and the 3900X sub 500

 

[Panos]

By "some results", you mean "the best results". I'm also not sure what the point of those comparisons really is, given it's an HEDT chip. Shouldn't it be compared against the i9-9980XE and Threadripper 2950X (in terms of product class), or i9-9900X and Threadripper 2950X/2970WX (in terms of price)?

The biggest question is how it performs against the equivalent Threadripper 3 part, but current rumours indicate there won't be a 16c/32t chip. So basically it'll have to be compared to the R9 3950X (with the caveats that it's not an HEDT chip) or a probably similarly priced R9 3960X.

What I am baffled is the 3900X results are too low. Stock chip on X570 Taichi with 3600C16 XMP ram (not even fine tuned ram) on air with Noctua D15 and does 7250. Not 7076.
With pre AGESA ABBA bios was doing 7110 with same ram settings.

 

[DragonQ]

The Intel platform can be clocked very well for performance whereas AMD stuff is out near its limit due to the binning they do.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Intels new old stuff does.

That used to be the case, it's not any more. You gain ~300 MHz all-core frequency when overclocking an i9-9900K for example, if you don't have exotic cooling. You'd gain 100-200 MHz on a Zen 2 chip.

 

[oweneades]

That used to be the case, it's not any more. You gain ~300 MHz all-core frequency when overclocking an i9-9900K for example, if you don't have exotic cooling. You'd gain 100-200 MHz on a Zen 2 chip.

I think Sandys was referring more to the HEDT chips like the 7980XE/9980XE. If you have the cooling / power delivery* they can clock quite well on the all core frequency (although not as much if you compare to the 1-2 core max boost clocks and starting from a lower point thus have more theoretical headroom).

*portable nuclear power plant on standby..