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Shame that new motherboards are getting ridiculously expensive.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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I did have test and nope, not even close, the AMD systems wiped floor as per usual. As I said, outside of your irrelevant sat idle (idol) test that required unstable settings for when you do require the system to perform.
My conclusion, just shut the system down or buy 8700ge.
Looks like Windows 11 was gimped to help Intel's E-cores. (at AMD's expense).
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More likely a 9800X3D.
especially if you have to change them frequently (LGA1851).
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Cyberpunk is a bit of an outlier, at least on AMD. It benefits greatly from SMT off, this is despite the developers supposed 'fix' for SMT on AMD CPUs.On a quick dirty 14900KS run, I get the following for HT on and HT off
I'm not holding out any hope of the developer ever fixing it either, given their recent (lack of) effort with FSR3 in this title.
9950X Low Preset SMT ON
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That is rubbish, when Intel can leverage the e-cores and even to a degree P cores under light to moderate utilisation AMD doesn't come close for power consumption. Over a whole day of varying usage the power efficiency of the different systems can vary wildly in the real world. Far too many people yourself included are just going on reviews which use canned high load benchmarks and measure the power consumption at the CPU.
8700ge is somewhat an aside to this as the platform is designed for low power operations and comes with other considerations especially for gaming - the CPUs with Zen4C can be incredibly efficient under load and lighter utilisation though they still suffer a bit at idle due to the SoC using a certain amount of minimum power.
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I think they've fixed most of the issues with gaming and high-performance workloads; I meant in terms of using them correctly for low-power tasks e.g. not having P-cores spin up for a Word document. Obviously this is complicated and you're also dealing with Windows BS.
Weirdly the game seems to have been compiler and manual programming implementation wise optimised for Intel Xeons (not even Intel desktop CPUs). Though they've updated that a bit post launch it still seems to have some consequences.
Not sure if the game was developed on slightly older Intel HEDT systems and they somehow overlooked it in testing when fine tuning the game for performance.
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It is Rroff, I sent all of the Intel parts back. You are right about Intel being rubbish.
It is telling you are wrong when you have to resort to posts like this.
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That wasn't the main use of E-cores though was it, I recall it being marketed as efficient cores that handle apps in the BG so those apps don't hamper the P-cores whilst you use the P-cores in the frontline app or game - Which is exactly the kind of use I see when monitoring RTSS in games or doing something in a productivity app using P-cores. Granted the 12700 only has 4 E-cores so they can only do so much but still, the intended use for them is being seen at least.
Others my listen you and waste their time and money you see.
Intel are miles off AMD in performance per watt. If efficiency is the goal AMD are again the way to go. All I learnt is peak efficiency for desktop use is probably a GE with a motherboard that covers just the essentials as that might save you a watt or two per hour.
You are the one regularly posting misleading information... like misleading use of Mindfactory's retail results...
The conversation here is mostly 7000 and 9000 series AMD and Intel 14th gen, if people want an ultra power efficient desktop solution where gaming performance isn't any real consideration that is a different story again.
Intel's P-cores are capable of using huge amounts of power. Intel couldn't resolve this so they introduced E-cores. A fudge / a bodge. Advertising 125w CPU's which can use 400w / 500w.
OK at 87.5w for two minutes they are efficient - great.
same again this time. time for a new uarch and time to stop trying to polish a T***.
But you’re the only one talking misleading nonsense. Intel are just miles off the mark and that’s just the reality of it. Sorry.
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At least in theory the P cores will spend more time parked with processes moved to the E cores in lower utilisation states and Intel has quite advanced power gating to turn off parts of the CPU not being utilised - that can't be leveraged in heavy load situations like canned benchmarks but has implications for a system in mixed use throughout the day.
Intel's power use is also partly due to diminishing returns at higher performance levels - the 14900K sometimes uses eye watering amounts of power over the 14700K for relatively small performance gains.
That is the thing - at moderate utilisation levels that fudge works, which isn't something represented in most reviews which broadly test in things like gaming and canned heavy utilisation benchmarks. So if you are gaming for say 80% of the system powered on time you will get very different results over a longer time period to if a system is used for say office work 70% of the time and gaming 30% of the time.
Extra try hard with Win10 thereCyberpunk is a bit of an outlier, at least on AMD. It benefits greatly from SMT off, this is despite the developers supposed 'fix' for SMT on AMD CPUs.
I'm not holding out any hope of the developer ever fixing it either, proper their recent (lack of) effort with FSR3 in this title.
9950X Low Preset SMT ON
9950X Low Preset SMT Off
