Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

[ED209]

I have an Email saying they are available for pre-order NOW, have there been any reviews?????

They are on the OCUK site for pre order

Intel Socket 1851 Processors - Available Now At Overclockers UK

Explore the latest Intel Socket 1851 processors. Designed for high performance, featuring DDR5 memory support and enhanced PCIe 5.0 connectivity.

www.overclockers.co.uk

No motherboards on sale or pre order though as these are socket LGA1851

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Intel Core Ultra 9 285K (Arrow Lake) Socket LGA 1851 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-03110) = £548.99
• 1 x Intel Core Ultra 7 265K (Arrow Lake) Socket LGA 1851 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-03111) = £379.99
• 1 x Intel Core Ultra 7 265KF (Arrow Lake) Socket LGA 1851 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-03112) = £359.99
• 1 x Intel Core Ultra 5 245K (Arrow Lake) Socket LGA 1851 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-03113) = £289.99
• 1 x Intel Core Ultra 5 245KF (Arrow Lake) Socket LGA 1851 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-03114) = £278.99

Total: £0 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

 

[uscool]

On a quick dirty 14900KS run, I get the following for HT on and HT off

Spoiler: 1080P Low HT

Spoiler: 1080P Low No HT

Interesting looking forward to the independent reviews and lows etc

 

[RSR]

I have an Email saying they are available for pre-order NOW, have there been any reviews?????

I've not had any emails yet.

 

[mrk]

Only really power efficiency gains over 14th gen and no real performance gains. the AI stuff laying dormant for future use remains to be seen.

Not really a worthwhile upgrade for me from my 12700KF which is nicely suited for gaming and productivity as it is whilst being very power efficient, even mated to a 4090 where game benches match or beat stock 4090 benches on later model CPUs at 4K (I'm undervolted and OCd).

 

[VincentHanna]

Not really a worthwhile upgrade for me from my 12700KF which is nicely suited for gaming and productivity as it is whilst being very power efficient, even mated to a 4090 where game benches match or beat stock 4090 benches on later model CPUs at 4K (I'm undervolted and OCd).

Well yeah, If you are mainly in to gaming and have a decent CPU you are far far better spending the cash on a 5000 series GPU in January than worrying about the CPU.

 

[Rroff]

For me the real canary in the silicon-mine is the CP2077 result. They didn't even use RT which would further aggravate CPU demands and still getting clobbered by the 7950X3D. Sure, it was already better than the 14900K by 15% but this likely will further increase that margin.

AMD absolutely smashed them to smithereens, and the 9950X3D will be even faster. This will lose them a LOT of boutique oem contracts (like Starforge et al) after they already had reasons to leave them due to the instability debacle. Never mind the diy market (completely gone).

Intel will be bled hard the next 2 financial quarters. This is really, really bad.

As an aside that game loves memory bandwidth as well, 5600MT there is doing the Intels more of a disservice even than the 5200MT on the AMD side, running both on 6000MT would change those results though AMD would still be at the top.

My 10 year old Xeon still held up well in the game thanks to its quad channel memory architecture giving a ton of bandwidth even by today's standards.

 

[Locky]

On a quick dirty 14900KS run, I get the following for HT on and HT off

Spoiler: 1080P Low HT

Spoiler: 1080P Low No HT

I find pretty much every game I've tried and played is faster with HT OFF (e cores on)

 

[Deleted User 456458]

I find pretty much every game I've tried and played is faster with HT OFF (e cores on)

That’s the right tune for Intel for gaming. Been that way since forever really.

You’ll see that when mem normalized let’s say at 8000mhz and HT off, a 14900k will absolutely wreck a 285k for gaming.

 

[RSR]

That’s the right tune for Intel for gaming. Been that way since forever really.

You’ll see that when mem normalized let’s say at 8000mhz and HT off, a 14900k will absolutely wreck a 285k for gaming.

We will need to see tbh.

These new systems will support CUDIMMs which allow for higher frequency’s. After watching the deep dive yesterday there seems to be quiet a bit in the tank in various areas.

Looking at the Asrock OCF board, they are claiming support for DDR5 over 10100+ which is bonkers where as the Apex is 9000+. This to me is going to be a very interesting area to watch.

I’ll be picking up a Apex and OCF

 

[Dave2150]

Only really power efficiency gains over 14th gen and no real performance gains. the AI stuff laying dormant for future use remains to be seen.

Not really a worthwhile upgrade for me from my 12700KF which is nicely suited for gaming and productivity as it is whilst being very power efficient, even mated to a 4090 where game benches match or beat stock 4090 benches on later model CPUs at 4K (I'm undervolted and OCd).

7800X3D, 7950X3D are faster in games than Arrow Lake.

9800X3D and 9950X3D will be 10-25% faster, Arrow lake is not worth considering for gaming IMO.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

We will need to see tbh.

These new systems will support CUDIMMs which allow for higher frequency’s. After watching the deep dive yesterday there seems to be quiet a bit in the tank in various areas.

Looking at the Asrock OCF board, they are claiming support for DDR5 over 10100+ which is bonkers where as the Apex is 9000+. This to me is going to be a very interesting area to watch.

I’ll be picking up a Apex and OCF

Yeah it’ll be interesting. Word I have so far from testing is that ring is really low. Like low 4’s.

All core topping out around 5.4. I’m sure dd with a golden bin can beat that by 100-200.

It’ll be fun to tune as it’s a new arch but I can’t see someone getting one just for gaming esp if they’re plug n play or mild tuners.

 

[mrk]

7800X3D, 7950X3D are faster in games than Arrow Lake.

9800X3D and 9950X3D will be 10-25% faster, Arrow lake is not worth considering for gaming IMO.

I genuinely have zero interest in going AMD for a platform upgrade, though isn't gaming perf directly related to whether the 3D Vcache is supported or not in any given game, so if not then the gains over Intel are not quite the same.

In fact I won't be upgrading to either platform's latest until whatever chip I choose is proven to be power efficient, thermally efficient and performant all at the same time just like this 12700KF is. Ok the stability side of things took a full year to get there after launch but that's more on Gigabyte's BIOS updates than something CPU related so that kind of doesn't count in this context.

It's the reason I didn't bother with 13th or 14th gen either, needlessly more power hungry and dodged a bullet as they ended up timebombed lemons anyway

So really probably will skip another 2 gens of CPUs from either side. A 4090 has yet to make it into the ultra column on any game's system reqs, and a 12700K has only been in the ultra column for one game so far from memory, and I forgot what that game was even but it was for 4K .

 

[Dave2150]

I genuinely have zero interest in going AMD for a platform upgrade, though isn't gaming perf directly related to whether the 3D Vcache is supported or not in any given game, so if not then the gains over Intel are not quite the same.

In fact I won't be upgrading to either platform's latest until whatever chip I choose is proven to be power efficient, thermally efficient and performant all at the same time just like this 12700KF is. Ok the stability side of things took a full year to get there after launch but that's more on Gigabyte's BIOS updates than something CPU related so that kind of doesn't count in this context.

It's the reason I didn't bother with 13th or 14th gen either, needlessly more power hungry and dodged a bullet as they ended up timebombed lemons anyway

So really probably will skip another 2 gens of CPUs from either side. A 4090 has yet to make it into the ultra column on any game's system reqs, and a 12700K has only been in the ultra column for one game so far from memory, and I forgot what that game was even but it was for 4K .

7800X3D is incredibly efficient, checkout the reviews. 9800X3D should be the same, they put Intel's 12th, 13th and 14th gen to shame.

 

[JediFragger]

7800X3D is incredibly efficient

With a -30 PBO mine in some games runs at just 30-odd watts at 4k!! Incredible really

 

[jigger]

I genuinely have zero interest in going AMD for a platform upgrade, though isn't gaming perf directly related to whether the 3D Vcache is supported or not in any given game, so if not then the gains over Intel are not quite the same.

In fact I won't be upgrading to either platform's latest until whatever chip I choose is proven to be power efficient, thermally efficient and performant all at the same time just like this 12700KF is. Ok the stability side of things took a full year to get there after launch but that's more on Gigabyte's BIOS updates than something CPU related so that kind of doesn't count in this context.

It's the reason I didn't bother with 13th or 14th gen either, needlessly more power hungry and dodged a bullet as they ended up timebombed lemons anyway

So really probably will skip another 2 gens of CPUs from either side. A 4090 has yet to make it into the ultra column on any game's system reqs, and a 12700K has only been in the ultra column for one game so far from memory, and I forgot what that game was even but it was for 4K .

The issue with that strategy is Nvidia graphics cards need a ridiculously highend system or you drop performance. That wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the ridiculous price Nvidia charge.

 

[Rroff]

7800X3D is incredibly efficient, checkout the reviews. 9800X3D should be the same, they put Intel's 12th, 13th and 14th gen to shame.

Fine for gaming, but the 7800X3D is similar performance wise to a 12700K for anything outside of gaming, and that is for the average - some stuff it is more contemporary with Intel 11th gen (offset by better than average performance in some areas the 3D cache can be applied). Personally I'd take higher power usage for more balanced performance.

 

[TrixP10]

Fine for gaming, but the 7800X3D is similar performance wise to a 12700K for anything outside of gaming, and that is for the average - some stuff it is more contemporary with Intel 11th gen (offset by better than average performance in some areas the 3D cache can be applied). Personally I'd take higher power usage for more balanced performance.

Personally I see no point at all for wasting power. Especially as Intel's cobbled big / little is so inbalanced.

 

[jigger]

Fine for gaming, but the 7800X3D is similar performance wise to a 12700K for anything outside of gaming, and that is for the average - some stuff it is more contemporary with Intel 11th gen (offset by better than average performance in some areas the 3D cache can be applied). Personally I'd take higher power usage for more balanced performance.

Depends what you’re doing. Some people are happy to sacrifice few minutes/seconds job time for a quarter of the power use on a better platform.

 

[jigger]

Personally I see no point at all for wasting power. Especially as Intel's cobbled big / little is so inbalanced.

Yeah, the performance is extremely windows/middleware dependent when looking to get the best from what is essentially three potential pipelines with very different performance profiles.

 

[Rroff]

Personally I see no point at all for wasting power. Especially as Intel's cobbled big / little is so inbalanced.

In terms of power consumption over time it is actually far more complicated - when you factor in whole system power consumption and PSU efficiency, etc. and that Intel is actually more power efficient in the lower half of utilisation states the actual power use over say a month of usage can be a different story. If you are spending many hours a day gaming that is one thing, more mixed use especially if the system is sitting in lower idle states a lot can be another story again.