If this is anything to go by (probably a load of tosh) then we should be getting it very soon. Q4 sounds about right though, more in line with gpu launches too.
Like all other launches, it will most likely be the Sep / Oct / Nov window.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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Like all other launches, it will most likely be the Sep / Oct / Nov window.
We'd usually have seen engineering sample leaks of the CPU's and motherboards by now. So far we've seen no ES for desktop CPU's, or motherboards. Something feels off, I think September is highly unlikely. Q1 2025 more likely IMO!
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I have thunderbolt 4 on my motherboard and feel usb4 maybe better as the speeds drops from 40Gbps to 10Gbps if you use a USB 4.0 device with it
And feel there going be a lot more USB 4.0 devices available later then thunderbolt 4 ones.
Plus thunderbolt 4 devices seem to be very pricey from the ones i looked at so far
But it seems to be a right mess at the moment
Even with apple devices some have thunderbolt 4 and others have USB 4.0 and you can't get 40Gbps transfer speeds by mixing them
Not sure if this is correct but think AMD boards come with USB 4.0 and Intel Boards come with Thunderbolt 4, What a complete mess if that is true at all.
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USB4 supports 40Gb / 20Gb connections and then drops down to the others, TB4 supports a whole range of USB generations. TB4 has several other advantages like native networking and raw PCIe device access etc but yes, I get it for a lot of people thats not important. However, moving to a native design rather than the current designs of an external controller should make things a lot more accessible, and standardise a lot of support but also may increase the price. I see it as a positive step and I wonder if that paves the way for TB5.
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It’s all just PCI-E tunnelling.
I don't think it has been confirmed they are. The one actual known to be real leak had some CPU features disabled in the BIOS including hyperthreading due to being a development system where some stuff wasn't working and/or not working right and not showing the actual true core count/features.
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Very low chance of HT making it (like none)
Yeap, HT is gone. All leaks showed this for over a year.
I've only seen 1 leak which isn't either just based off the one actual leak, which was a development system with features disabled, or probably people making stuff up. Some people seem to be basing it off Lunar Lake having no HT implementation with its Lion Cove cores.
The chipset supports it, though that may be due to also supporting Redwood Cove cores.
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It looks like Arrow Lake maybe attempting to tame Intel's ludricious TDP's by reducing the clock rate considerably
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If that is the case it will be interesting to see what IPC uplift Intel has achieved with the new process node and if it can remain performance competitive with AMD's Zen 5 offerings.
Intel is abandoning high clock speeds on new CPUs, according to leak
The forthcoming Intel Core 9 Ultra 285K Arrow Lake processor will reportedly have a much lower clock frequency than the Core i9 14900K.
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If that is the case it will be interesting to see what IPC uplift Intel has achieved with the new process node and if it can remain performance competitive with AMD's Zen 5 offerings.
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I have a vague memory about some cpu vulnerabilities being related to it - something along the lines of HT being impossible to do securely.
I did wonder at the time if that was maybe a reason !
It looks like Arrow Lake maybe attempting to tame Intel's ludricious TDP's by reducing the clock rate considerably
Intel is abandoning high clock speeds on new CPUs, according to leak
The forthcoming Intel Core 9 Ultra 285K Arrow Lake processor will reportedly have a much lower clock frequency than the Core i9 14900K.
If that is the case it will be interesting to see what IPC uplift Intel has achieved with the new process node and if it can remain performance competitive with AMD's Zen 5 offerings.
I expect Arrow Lake to be inferior to Raptor Lake for lightly threaded applications (games etc), as clocks/power consumption will be so much lower. Also Intel's first desktop chiplet design, so unlikely to hit a home run their first time.
Intel is switching from using Hyper Threading to RU's (Rentable Units). Though I don't think 15th gen has RU's but the next CPU after Arrow Lake does, so removing HT's in Arrow Lake is probably preparation work in the architecture to support RU's
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Intel to use "AI TOP" branding for Arrow Lake CPUs and Motherboards.
Soon we'll need AI RAM and AI power supplies
AI TOP = Another Intel Totally Overpriced Product
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AI TOP = Another Intel Totally Overpriced Product