Intel demoes 11th Gen Core Rocket Lake CPU against 12-core AMD Ryzen

[Hotwired]

Yeah well.

4 cores are usually ok, 6 cores are great, 8 cores are running out of value fast and you're ******* money into the wind for the last few situational fps past that.

AMD has conflicting priorities for selling the best binned chiplets in the "gaming" range though. Only thing for it is to keep making the chiplet designs better so performance all down the stack increases.

 

[clv101]

yeah why would you need efficiency on a desktop? Not like there is battery life to worry about

It's less about the energy and more about the cooling requirements, heat and noise.

 

[Minstadave]

It's less about the energy and more about the cooling requirements, heat and noise.

And the fact if you really throw efficiency to the wind you have to start cutting cores off your flagship CPU to make it viable.

 

[Mesai]

It's less about the energy and more about the cooling requirements, heat and noise.

Probably teething issues getting their new architecture to work. Definitely won’t be worth anyones time if they don’t price it low.

 

[Mesai]

Yeah well.

4 cores are usually ok, 6 cores are great, 8 cores are running out of value fast and you're ******* money into the wind for the last few situational fps past that.

AMD has conflicting priorities for selling the best binned chiplets in the "gaming" range though. Only thing for it is to keep making the chiplet designs better so performance all down the stack increases.

That’s what they have with Zen3 as it’s a matured platform.

 

[Journey]

you know the real funny thing the 10400 intel is right up there and costs £120 lol.

Totally the best value CPU out there right now, especially since the imported 3600X's now have VAT pre-applied that were the same cost. I've build a truck load of them over the Christmas period, it is just a shame it is gimped via the motherboard price wise, and the RAM speed sucks if you want to upgrade. The £69 B450 Mortar MAX, plus the 3600X and 16GB 3600MHz C16 RAM for ~£260 was such a good value build, and you could drop in a 5900X in 2, 3, 4, 5 years or whatever and still have a better system.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

It's less about the energy and more about the cooling requirements, heat and noise.

I get that, but unless its an actual space heater, I dont think a little extra heat/noise is going to matter to people who will want the performance

 

[imginy]

Wow it's crazy intel going 1080p and lowering settings down to get a few percent.

I thought this new intels were going to be +15% IPC and run at 5.3ghz???

What happened there, can someone explain.

 

[pete910]

Wow it's crazy intel going 1080p and lowering settings down to get a few percent.

I thought this new intels were going to be +15% IPC and run at 5.3ghz???

What happened there, can someone explain.

Yeah, They lied

 

[digitaldreams]

Only PCIe4 interests me if I have to upgrade my 6850k this year.

 

[Grim5]

Wow it's crazy intel going 1080p and lowering settings down to get a few percent.

I thought this new intels were going to be +15% IPC and run at 5.3ghz???

What happened there, can someone explain.

Rocket Lake does have 19% IPC


BUT and it's a big BUT, IPC is a skewed measure - just because it's 19% higher doesn't mean that translates to games. IPC measurements are taken from a wide range of task specific benchmarks, unfortunately game engines only use very specific tasks not all of them.

so while overall ipc might be 19% higher, games don't care - they tend to care about Integer performance and the improvement in Integer IPC is clearly nowhere near 19%, it's probably only 1-2% by the look of it. Most of this "19% IPC" comes from improvements in Crypyo IPC - games don't use Crypto and won't use it so it's pointless for a gamer

 

[imginy]

Rocket Lake does have 19% IPC


BUT and it's a big BUT, IPC is a skewed measure - just because it's 19% higher doesn't mean that translates to games. IPC measurements are taken from a wide range of task specific benchmarks, unfortunately game engines only use very specific tasks not all of them.

so while overall ipc might be 19% higher, games don't care - they tend to care about Integer performance and the improvement in Integer IPC is clearly nowhere near 19%, it's probably only 1-2% by the look of it. Most of this "19% IPC" comes from improvements in Crypyo IPC - games don't use Crypto and won't use it so it's pointless for a gamer

It seems like a totally pointless release.

All the development costs etc and not really any better at games than their last gen but now has less cores.

 

[humbug]

6 or 7? new Laptops from Asus and all but one are Ryzen.

 

[KompuKare]

Im sure they still will, but there's no harm in diversifying! Getting into ARM could help them plenty with the laptop market if they are good at how they implement it and have similar performance to what they are currently getting (at lower TDP).

Or maybe they should just jump straight into Risc V

Maybe if AMD were far bigger than they are.
But consider, the core of Zen 1/2/3 is pretty good and AMD still haven't released all the possible variants.
APUs don't go over 8 cores, have less L3 and no option for a higher end iGPU.
Desktop AM4 could probably benefit from monoliths as well. The IO and CCU thing is clever and cost effective, but it AMD had a larger marketshare then monolith 8/12/16 cores would outperform the current AM4 or use less power.
Point being, given extra resources there are plenty of niches which AMD haven't explored with their current Zen cores.
Spreading themselves thinner to also cover ARM would be very risky.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Maybe if AMD were far bigger than they are.
But consider, the core of Zen 1/2/3 is pretty good and AMD still haven't released all the possible variants.
APUs don't go over 8 cores, have less L3 and no option for a higher end iGPU.
Desktop AM4 could probably benefit from monoliths as well. The IO and CCU thing is clever and cost effective, but it AMD had a larger marketshare then monolith 8/12/16 cores would outperform the current AM4 or use less power.
Point being, given extra resources there are plenty of niches which AMD haven't explored with their current Zen cores.
Spreading themselves thinner to also cover ARM would be very risky.

Yeah thats a fair point, but I just think for things like laptops, ARM has benefits that x86 will just never have so it may be worthwhile exploring.

But yeah seems pretty unlikely anyway

 

[LePhuronn]

damn really wanna upgrade from i7 6700k to something with 8 cores nothing appeals Rocket Lake is just really poor stop gap

Nothing appeals? Have you been living under a rock? You have heard of the Ryzen 3700X, yeah? We don't even need to mention Ryzen 5000 series.

 

[Tetras]

Nothing appeals? Have you been living under a rock? You have heard of the Ryzen 3700X, yeah? We don't even need to mention Ryzen 5000 series.

A high clocked 6700 or 7700 with top-end memory only gets beaten in single thread by Ryzen 5 series, so if mainly playing older games the upgrade can be dubious. I think everyone was expecting more.

 

[GregI]

https://twitter.com/harukaze5719/status/1349394194045886464

The video linked in Twitter did see times where the Intel chips pulled ahead by a pretty convincing margin.

People are speculating that the 11900k performed so badly because of BIOS bugs or whatnot and fair enough. The issue is if there is such bugs impacting performance this badly they have such little time to correct it and get it validated if launch is indeed March.

 

[Grim5]

Intel's share holders have had enough, these Rocket lake benchmarks were probably the final straw.

Intel's CEO Bob Swann has been fired and will be replaced by VM Ware's former CEO Pat Gelsinger

 

[Hakanese]

There go my chances of getting a cheap 10900k