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0% IPC gain over skylake, only very very slightly better binning process
if I was you id grab a used i7-6700k
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Z270 and Kabylake is a great platform.
Everything is overclocking great. Core, cache and mems.
Its very stable from the beginning and the motherboard line up to support is great looking and performing.
Everything is overclocking great. Core, cache and mems.
Its very stable from the beginning and the motherboard line up to support is great looking and performing.
Soldato
0% IPC gain over skylake, only very very slightly better binning process
if I was you id grab a used i7-6700k
Why buy an Asus Impact or g.skill Tridentz, 0% gain over others!
Unless you OC them......
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All this doom and gloom and while I'd usually be there with folks complaining about it (to be fair, I've already left my snide remark on the first page), I must remind folks that for most of us, it's unnecessary to be so negative about this right now.
Absolutely, we're all correct in that this year the prices of CPUs (and GPUs, though less of an excuse there since Nvidia launched 1000 series before Brexit) have sharply increased. But nobody is asking us to buy these products, it's not like they're being forced down our throats. We're also correct in that the improvements this gen are minimal, a likely result of no competition from AMD. We'll only see if this is 100% true come next year, post-Zen, what will Intel do?
I remember when I bought my i7-4790k and Gigabyte Z97 motherboard in an OCUK bundle during an amazing sale period where I saved 20% off the processor and close to that for the motherboard too. But that was 2 years ago. What do I have to say to these price increases?
Exactly that. I'm glad I have my Devil's Canyon, I really couldn't care less about Skylake. CPUs and motherboards are probably the least upgraded part of PCs, or at the very least they are among the parts that last the longest and needed to be upgraded the least. Unless one of them needs replacement due to damage, most of us won't be changing our i7 CPUs for several years. And unlike GPUs, we won't be needing to buy new CPUs every year for upgrades either. You really shouldn't be looking at CPUs like graphics cards and honestly shouldn't be buying new GPUs each year either. Anyone who's bought an i7 CPU in the last few years, be happy. You paid much better, your CPU is still among the best around and you'll likely get your money's worth. We'll be long past Skylake by the time our CPUs need replacing. We're in it for the long haul.
Most importantly wait for Zen before making your doom and gloom statements. We don't know if it'll live up to the hype or what it'll be priced at. But you'll have the full choice when Zen releases. And even if Zen makes i7s look old hat... no worries. As mentioned above our i7s will be fine for a long while yet.
I will say that this most certainly will be difficult for folks who absolutely need to upgrade or build a new PC right now. Again, don't buy anything till Zen comes out and then look at buying a CPU/Mobo as a long term purchase. And there's still the option of buying older CPUs. Granted most of those have jumped up in price almost 50% (more than that if you count the great deal I got on mine). But there's still easier options. My brother bought an i5 4460 somewhat recently and that's one of the CPUs that has held it's price well. the original Skylake CPUs aren't that bad either. Buy one of those and feel good that it will last a long while. Or if Zen is any good, buy one of those.
TLR These aren't GPUs, so it's not the end of the world and there are other options.
Absolutely, we're all correct in that this year the prices of CPUs (and GPUs, though less of an excuse there since Nvidia launched 1000 series before Brexit) have sharply increased. But nobody is asking us to buy these products, it's not like they're being forced down our throats. We're also correct in that the improvements this gen are minimal, a likely result of no competition from AMD. We'll only see if this is 100% true come next year, post-Zen, what will Intel do?
I remember when I bought my i7-4790k and Gigabyte Z97 motherboard in an OCUK bundle during an amazing sale period where I saved 20% off the processor and close to that for the motherboard too. But that was 2 years ago. What do I have to say to these price increases?
Exactly that. I'm glad I have my Devil's Canyon, I really couldn't care less about Skylake. CPUs and motherboards are probably the least upgraded part of PCs, or at the very least they are among the parts that last the longest and needed to be upgraded the least. Unless one of them needs replacement due to damage, most of us won't be changing our i7 CPUs for several years. And unlike GPUs, we won't be needing to buy new CPUs every year for upgrades either. You really shouldn't be looking at CPUs like graphics cards and honestly shouldn't be buying new GPUs each year either. Anyone who's bought an i7 CPU in the last few years, be happy. You paid much better, your CPU is still among the best around and you'll likely get your money's worth. We'll be long past Skylake by the time our CPUs need replacing. We're in it for the long haul.
Most importantly wait for Zen before making your doom and gloom statements. We don't know if it'll live up to the hype or what it'll be priced at. But you'll have the full choice when Zen releases. And even if Zen makes i7s look old hat... no worries. As mentioned above our i7s will be fine for a long while yet.
I will say that this most certainly will be difficult for folks who absolutely need to upgrade or build a new PC right now. Again, don't buy anything till Zen comes out and then look at buying a CPU/Mobo as a long term purchase. And there's still the option of buying older CPUs. Granted most of those have jumped up in price almost 50% (more than that if you count the great deal I got on mine). But there's still easier options. My brother bought an i5 4460 somewhat recently and that's one of the CPUs that has held it's price well. the original Skylake CPUs aren't that bad either. Buy one of those and feel good that it will last a long while. Or if Zen is any good, buy one of those.
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R These aren't GPUs, so it's not the end of the world and there are other options.
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I must say, the Z270 motherboards seem to look nicer than the Z170 range. More IO shrouds and a cleaner aesthetic.
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This guy knows whats up. I've been saying this for a couple years now. PC gaming is stupid expensive today.
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you do know people don't usually buy top end K chips? most PC's are i3 or lower?
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Not on this forum I suspect, the people you are referring to have mostly never heard of Overclockers and still go to Pc World.
Only if you want the latest and greatest, otherwise it really isn't.
Soldato
Expensive but great job with the options guys.
My 3770k runs happily at 5.1GHz. OCD may allow me to pick up a 5GHz 7700k to play with
If it's easy enough to get the 7700k running at 5GHz, I wonder how good the real golden ones will be
My 3770k runs happily at 5.1GHz. OCD may allow me to pick up a 5GHz 7700k to play with
If it's easy enough to get the 7700k running at 5GHz, I wonder how good the real golden ones will be
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Doesn't mean it's value for money though does it.
Intel are taking what has been a consumer led enthusiast market and turning it into an elites only fan club and the need for AMD to give Intel a slap on pricing has never been greater.
Not sure it will happen though as I'm sure Ryzen owes AMD a large chunk of change plus Brexit and all of that rubbish.
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Oh, I do like the look of some of the ITX mobo's!
Was hoping to downsize later this year but would just plop my 6600k into a Z270 mobo and then get a smaller case.
Was hoping to downsize later this year but would just plop my 6600k into a Z270 mobo and then get a smaller case.
PC overclocking and gaming is rapidly turning into a farce nowadays, it's an absolute mugs game and manufacturers are capitalizing on the baying enthsiasm of the target market in order to keep the pricing artificially high (and rising higher). There was a time when the generation leaps between CPU releases brought tangible performance benefits, nowadays you are lucky to spend hundreds and get 10% max, usually less.
So do you think it's worth the upgrade for people who bought a high-end CPU within the last few years?
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Yeah I don't see any reason to upgrade with those prices. I appreciate the $:£ isn't great right now but this is daft.
Soldato
That may be and is a great sales spin for people who must have the best overclock but would you recommend it as an upgrade to someone who owns Skylake and has a 4.5ghz overclock and into gaming ? Devils Canyon ?
I dont expect an answer to that one.