Soldato
I bought a 6700K in December for £310!
*** Intel Kaby Lake is HERE! ***
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It's also weird to compare launch pricing with deal prices that may have been floating around during peak periods.
I'm not going to look at Samsung's latest 65" 4K HDR TV which may launch at £1600 and compare pricing to last year's model which was available on Black Friday for £1100, maybe that's just me
Please just be fair with yourself
you had the highest price for skylake around. Nobody is saying about deals...who would do £50 off on a new processor?
Prices were similar in whole Europe at the time of release and only increased due to supply/demand and possibility to get more.
you had the highest price for skylake around. Nobody is saying about deals...who would do £50 off on a new processor?Prices were similar in whole Europe at the time of release and only increased due to supply/demand and possibility to get more.
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Quick crib notes on what Optane is please?
Don
Marketing point that may or may not actually happen
(meant to be some kind of non volatile ssd like storage that happens to be in the form of a DIMM)
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and a bios update might eventually allow such niceness? hmm, different
Don
No it will only work with Z270 boards (as opposed to it not working on Z170 boards which need a Bios update for Kaby
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Looks like my 3770k and z77 live to fight another year then
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I understand that, but how will it work later on those boards if it currently doesn't exists, will special types of DIMM appears, will it use the M2 slots, will it use the DIMM slots in different config from memory?
Will updates be required when it launches?
Will updates be required when it launches?
Don
Supposed to be in DDR4 DIMM style format.
Can't particularly see it taking off - from the reports I have seen, the tech isn't really ready, capacities are lower than expected, and Intel are being Intel, and locked in with 1 memory vendor (Micron), and not released details to anyone else.
One of the M.2 slots on the supported Z270 boards will be assigned to Optane. It can be used as a normal M.2 slot though.
The last time I saw a tech that excited me so much it was NVMe when compared to SATA (3000Mbps vs 600Mbps). I'm certain that it will be introduced, I'm certain that it will work. I don't know how much it will cost and I don't know, to what extent, it will replace RAM on this generation. The principle though, is that it will entirely replace RAM in the future as it is both faster and non-volatile.
From that I saw, the capacities planned at the start were 16GB, 32GB & 64GB, more than enough for any gaming PC and most workstations.
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Because up until Skylake, most of the previous i7 (3rd/4th/5th gen) were about £280. They are now £350
The previous i5's were all around £170-180, (i paid £175 from here for my i5 3570k) they are now £240.
That's why there is negativity about the price. It doesn't matter what has caused the price rise (i.e. the devaluation to $1.2/£1) It now makes upgrading a lot harder to justify.
To add insult to injury in the past 5 years or more, we're still on 2c/4t i3's, 4c/4t i5's and 4c/8th i7's when we should be on 4c/4t i3's, 4c/8t i5's and 6c/12t i7's in the "mainstream"
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Number of cores don't matter much. Compare a 6-core i7 and a 4-core i7 of the same generation and you'll see that the 6-core is actually sometimes beaten by the 4-core. If they increased cores, then each core would have to be slower and less IPC increase for the same performance.
Look at AMD's older CPUs... they're exactly what would have happened. Going haywire on multiple cores means that a great deal of things that seem to work better on fewer cores don't work as well. Single core performance needs to improve aswell, but they can't do both without increasing price. Ever wonder why Intels ridiculous number of core Xeons are so pricey?
Quad-core is the sweet spot, until everything that exists does better with more cores. But currently that simply isn't the case. The individual strength of a single core matters more.
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I think the time has passed to complain about price, the unjustified leap came with skylake and everyone paid it just for the chipset and IPC gain hype, now it's stuck with the obligatory next generation bump on top. My 2600K was £220, pretty sure the efficiency gains even from back then aren't 59%! At least these 7700K do clock well, finally enough to dethrone the 3770K in single core benchmarks and for that reason alone I think they justify the new high i7 price more so than Skylake. If this optane thing actually happens that'll be a nice bonus too.
JR
JR
Soldato
because they are workstation cpus and Intel are pricing them that high to control supply and demand.
If it was purely down to cores then the RCP on the 4 core e7-8893 v4 LCC (Low Core Count) wouldnt be a thousand dollars higher than the 22 core 8880.
at $7k RCP for the 24 core (and thats the recommended price for Intel's customers, not the end user) the value for money is obviously none existent, but that high price cant be blamed on the complexity of the part - the e7 v4 HCC parts (High Core Count) have around 7 billion transistors while the pascal titan, which is <1/6th the cost has over 12 billion. The LCC xeons have just over 3 billion, so explain that one!
Intel charge what they charge because they can. That's pretty much it.
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Code:
BX80677I77700K,
Quad Core with Hyperthreading Technology,
4.20GHz clock speed,
14nm Process,
8MB L3 Cache,
Dual Channel DDR4 Controller,
Integrated Iris DX12 Graphics,
3 Year Warranty
Only £349.99 inc VAT.Intel are Brexit mis-sold and greedy ripped off
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I'll pass this gen. Prices raising every year. PC gaming is at a cross roads. I think we'll see a huge drop off if prices to continue to go up.