Is that why they will be paying TSMC to make their chips, because they used their fab grants to pay for incentives to people for not using AMD?
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Intel shots fired at AMD.
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Soldato
Probably a bit of that along with the time it takes to get a fully functioning fab foundry up and running is years. I believe that the new Intel fab in Arizona will be completed some time next year but other intel fab looks like its 2025 along with such as the new TSMC, micron, samsung, texas instruments etc.
The fab plants are pretty flipping impressive though, its amazing how huge some of those places are. I have seen walkthroughs and took part in virtual walkthroughs in a couple of places in Taiwan and Vietnam, they are immensely impressive sized facilities.
The fab plants are pretty flipping impressive though, its amazing how huge some of those places are. I have seen walkthroughs and took part in virtual walkthroughs in a couple of places in Taiwan and Vietnam, they are immensely impressive sized facilities.
Probably. Arrow Lake will have chipsets from both Intel and TSMC fabs. Probably only on the top end models though, to get/try to get to performance crown.
I suspect the bulk of their CPU's will be made at the new fabs that the US Government practically gifted for free to Intel.
Soldato
With awfully named mobile CPU refreshes to go alongside it.
Yeah i noticed that, apparently it kick's Nvidia's H100's arse....... why can't they do that so convincingly for Graphics GPU's?
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Maybe that's why, resources going into the big earners first.
Man of Honour
Intel are a joke of a company these days with terrible products, stuff like this does not surprise me in the slightest.
Soldato
Imagine putting that snipe in an official business slide lol. Pathetic.
Soldato
They can and do...when you take Nvidia-centric features out of the equation.
Radeon has been on par or beating Nvidia in raster for a few generations, but nobody cares because it's all about subpar ray tracing and fake frame generation to compensate, and Nvidia have the lead on that because a: they repurposed datacenter hardware as a fad (and justified a massive price hike because of it), and b: ray tracing capabilities are optimised for Nvidia blackboxes and Nvidia implementations. Of course Radeon sucks running RTX games because RTX is designed for Nvidia hardware.
Go with a more agnostic engine or an AMD-centric ray tracing engine and Radeon matches and beats Nvidia, Godfall and Dirt being two examples on PC, but nobody cares because those games aren't Cyberpunk and whatever high-profile AAA game Nvidia spends umpteen bazillions on injecting their blackboxes into.
Then look at Spiderman and Ratchett & Clank on the PS5. Even if you normalised Nvidia's obscene price gouging, show me an Nvidia card that can replicate the Ray Tracing on those two games at the same price point. But nobody cares because consoles are for peasants and the PC Master Race rules over all.
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.Software. Drivers and software have always been ATI/AMD's Achilles heel. Now it's too late, as DLSS, Gsync etc have become embedded. People are invested into Nvidia's ecosystem. Much the same that an avid IoS user is too invested in Apple apps/services to ever consider switching to Andriod.
I disagee. Having the money to coerse game devs and sway public opinion has proved sucessful for Nvidia, but as with intel nothing stays the same. DLSS etc, is just todays fad. IMHO the future will be very different,
Yeah.... i think you're on to something.
Soldato
I just find it funny how a few years ago it was make or break for AMD with Ryzen, and now look how far they have come, and now its Intel literally clutching at straws.
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It's always amusing when a company uses attack as a way to promote their product.
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He would be if this was 15+ years ago. The driver argument is just utter crap these days.
It would be truly amazing if AMD could match Nvidia's overall performance (including with ray tracing) and software stack/features/stability.
What we have in the CPU market currently is great - AMD/Intel performance is pretty much identical for the flagships, though with Intel using far more power at load and AMD using a little more power at idle. Of course this is while AMD have a huge process node advantage over Intel.
Arrow lake will be the first time for many years where Intel and AMD will make CPU's on the same process - in theory this will allow Intel to push ahead of AMD, though I suspect the chiplet design will disappoint due to being such a new design for Intel. Zen5 will likely still be superior, though time will tell.
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