Intel slash prices

Deleted User 234324 · 26 Feb 2017 at 10:14

Itching to switch back to an AMD platform after almost a decade since the X-2 days, been out of the loop as such and while the 1800X is top of my purchase list I have no idea about motherboards or DDR4.

Ace Modder · 26 Feb 2017 at 10:18

When I worked at OcUK, OCUK would only make around 4-5% margin on Intel CPUs, and so were all other resellers. I don't see how the US companies are able to dump the pricing so much without the support of Intel. It's just not possible.

davido_labido · 26 Feb 2017 at 10:26

they aren't dropped. Microcentre has had those prices for quite a while, the biggest drop is $30. I have friends who visit there often (buying processors for modded builds for his customers) and he is calling the article bull **** and has shown receipts with the same prices for the last 3 or so months.

kaku · 26 Feb 2017 at 10:41

It's a WCCFTech article. Posts containing links to that site should probably just be deleted instead.

haszek · 26 Feb 2017 at 10:46

http://www.microcenter.com/search/s...4294966995+4294964566+4294935744&myStore=true

davido_labido said:
they aren't dropped. Microcentre has had those prices for quite a while, the biggest drop is $30. I have friends who visit there often (buying processors for modded builds for his customers) and he is calling the article bull **** and has shown receipts with the same prices for the last 3 or so months.

Don't get it, so microcenter website is actually not selling for discounted prices they are showing?

Razor Time · 26 Feb 2017 at 11:34

If you look on sites like camelcamelcamel and view the price history for the USA river store you will see these prices haven't dropped anywhere near what the article is saying. They are pretty much selling for around this price at the moment.

I also think that even if these new amd chips are better than intels that amd will still have to battle the brand name of intel to regain a huge slice of the market back. Outside of the clued up enthusiast allot of people will still want intel. A bit like how nvidia can outsell amd in the gpu market even when amd has a faster card for less or similar money.

It's going to be very interesting over the next few years as to how this is all going to play out and it's great to finally have some competition in the cpu market place.

pieman109 · 26 Feb 2017 at 11:43

Razor Time said:
If you look on sites like camelcamelcamel and view the price history for the USA river store you will see these prices haven't dropped anywhere near what the article is saying. They are pretty much selling for around this price at the moment.

I also think that even if these new amd chips are better than intels that amd will still have to battle the brand name of intel to regain a huge slice of the market back. Outside of the clued up enthusiast allot of people will still want intel. A bit like how nvidia can outsell amd in the gpu market even when amd has a faster card for less or similar money.

It's going to be very interesting over the next few years as to how this is all going to play out and it's great to finally have some competition in the cpu market place.

I'd be interested in seeing how the oem builders (mass produced machines from the likes of Dell, HP, leonovo, etc) will react to this AMD release. If they can save on costs by using these new skus from AMD as opposed from Intel (assuming they're not locked in to some type of exclusive deal with Intel), then I'm pretty sure they'd switch to the cheaper AMD option without having to compromise on performance.

muon · 26 Feb 2017 at 12:42

I don't think Dell etc. build 8C/16T machines for consumers.

They won't be saving much until Ryzen 5 comes out.

pieman109 · 26 Feb 2017 at 13:35

muon said:
I don't think Dell etc. build 8C/16T machines for consumers.

They won't be saving much until Ryzen 5 comes out.

Thats the sku range I was thinking about, probably even the R3 bracket too.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Feb 2017 at 13:38

muon said:
I don't think Dell etc. build 8C/16T machines for consumers.

They won't be saving much until Ryzen 5 comes out.

The lack of an IGP will be more of a limitation - Ryzen CPUs will be targeted more towards cheaper workstations and gaming rigs.

For normal rigs,Intel will still rule the roost until the Ryzen APUs are released.

muon · 26 Feb 2017 at 13:43

I don't think people even buy desktops from the likes if Dell anymore. But if you look at their range the 2 (non XPS/Alienware) models they both use discrete graphics.

It's all about laptops anyway where as you say APUs rule.

Mercutio · 26 Feb 2017 at 13:45

Reading through here, the point about "once it's over 4ghz per core (and IPC is good), does anyone really care?" I think, is quite a fair one. It's not an angle I'd really considered at least.
IPC of course will make SOME difference but if it's 8c/16t * 85-90% 7700k speeds for 7700K prices, I think that's a race that barely needs to be run.

There's loads of us still sat on gen 1,2,3,4 core processors because there's next to sod all difference once overclocked. It's to a point where it's only really worth upgrading for new features or bigger PCIe bandwidth.
Pretty much anything games wise, unless you want to run at 1080p at a million fps is going to be GPU limited once IPC and clockspeeds get to a certain point and everything says Ryzen made it over that line quiet easily.

Now factor in double cores/threads or half the price, XFR on the "X" chips/overclocking on all and lower thermals...

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Feb 2017 at 14:06

Mercutio said:
Reading through here, the point about "once it's over 4ghz per core (and IPC is good), does anyone really care?" I think, is quite a fair one. It's not an angle I'd really considered at least.
IPC of course will make SOME difference but if it's 8c/16t * 85-90% 7700k speeds for 7700K prices, I think that's a race that barely needs to be run.

There's loads of us still sat on gen 1,2,3,4 core processors because there's next to sod all difference once overclocked. It's to a point where it's only really worth upgrading for new features or bigger PCIe bandwidth.
Pretty much anything games wise, unless you want to run at 1080p at a million fps is going to be GPU limited once IPC and clockspeeds get to a certain point and everything says Ryzen made it over that line quiet easily.

Now factor in double cores/threads or half the price, XFR on the "X" chips/overclocking on all and lower thermals...

The other aspect is the Ryzen 4C and 6C CPUs will also be cheaper than what Intel has out too - 4C at £120 to £150 would mean many rigs which had a Core i3 might now have a quad core which can be overclocked a bit too.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Feb 2017 at 14:08

muon said:
I don't think people even buy desktops from the likes if Dell anymore. But if you look at their range the 2 (non XPS/Alienware) models they both use discrete graphics.

It's all about laptops anyway where as you say APUs rule.

I still know people who buy pre-built desktops with have IGPs - since many people don't build PCs or don't have quite enough money to buy a proper gaming PC,they will upgrade the graphics at a later date. This is the crowd which buy the low power cards like the GTX1050 and RX460. One of my mates is actually running games like BL2 on the IGP of a Haswell Core i5(!) and another who uses an A10 APU,etc.

However,the Ryzen CPU is more of a target towards the higher end Intel CPUs,etc - the APU will be out at some point which will be targeting those markets like laptops,etc.

Mercutio · 26 Feb 2017 at 14:15

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The other aspect is the Ryzen 4C and 6C CPUs will also be cheaper than what Intel has out too - 4C at £120 to £150 would mean many rigs which had a Core i3 might now have a quad core which can be overclocked a bit too.

Yup, I was applying it pretty much over the whole range. At pretty much each "point" ("G", i3, i5, i7) the Ryzen option will be either half the price or have double cores/threads and (as things currently look) will reach perfectly decent single thread performance too.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Feb 2017 at 14:20

Mercutio said:
Yup, I was applying it pretty much over the whole range. At pretty much each "point" ("G", i3, i5, i7) the Ryzen option will be either half the price or have double cores/threads and (as things currently look) will reach perfectly decent single thread performance too.

I just hope Ryzen on average is at least Haswell level IPC for gaming or a bit better.

eddiew · 26 Feb 2017 at 22:11

Well. I guess we know how Ryzen performs now then... that or Intel have fallen for an epic con and prices will go up again in 4 days

davido_labido · 26 Feb 2017 at 22:14

haszek said:
http://www.microcenter.com/search/s...4294966995+4294964566+4294935744&myStore=true
Don't get it, so microcenter website is actually not selling for discounted prices they are showing?

they are selling at those prices, but they were not the prices they are showing they have been discounted from. They have been these prices for at least 3 months and were only slightly higher previously.

humbug · 26 Feb 2017 at 22:15

eddiew said:
Well. I guess we know how Ryzen performs now then... that or Intel have fallen for an epic con and prices will go up again in 4 days

If Intel really are slashing prices; they know something and it has them in a panic.

AWPC · 27 Feb 2017 at 09:58

Wait a little longer Intel will have to slash around 30-40% globally not just for US markets. They would only do this if they know for sure they are going to lose a lot of market share and quite frankly who can defend Intel they have gone too far on pricing for many years due to their monopoly now its AMD's turn & either way the consumer wins as they always should!