The biggest problem is the dead end socket sucks and it's not a good upgrade from a n overclocked 5820K.
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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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The biggest problem is the dead end socket sucks and it's not a good upgrade from a n overclocked 5820K.
Caporegime
Well I am still on a 3770k, Before that a 2500k, Should be good.
Caporegime
4690K here...
Intel will now be offering more than 4 miserable cores in the mainstream but they are still way over priced, the 8600K and 8700K will no doubt with the higher Mhz appeal to a lot of people but to me that doesn't make them worth £300 to £350+.
Intel are not the only CPU suppler anymore and no matter how high they clock their CPU's their competitions CPU's are pretty bloody high performance and very efficient in their own right, Intel can't take that away from those chips, and they are far less expensive.
I'm in no rush yet, i'll wait to see how AMD react to this.
Intel's pricing is still stupid.
Intel will now be offering more than 4 miserable cores in the mainstream but they are still way over priced, the 8600K and 8700K will no doubt with the higher Mhz appeal to a lot of people but to me that doesn't make them worth £300 to £350+.
Intel are not the only CPU suppler anymore and no matter how high they clock their CPU's their competitions CPU's are pretty bloody high performance and very efficient in their own right, Intel can't take that away from those chips, and they are far less expensive.
I'm in no rush yet, i'll wait to see how AMD react to this.
Intel's pricing is still stupid.
4690K here...
Intel will now be offering more than 4 miserable cores in the mainstream but they are still way over priced, the 8600K and 8700K will no doubt with the higher Mhz appeal to a lot of people but to me that doesn't make them worth £300 to £350+.
Intel are not the only CPU suppler anymore and no matter how high they clock their CPU's their competitions CPU's are pretty bloody high performance and very efficient in their own right, Intel can't take that away from those chips, and they are far less expensive.
I'm in no rush yet, i'll wait to see how AMD react to this.
Intel's pricing is still stupid.
The best part is a large chunk of Intels price is for useless integrated graphics that will never get used.
Problem is even those with as many as four cores are still very much in the minority in cpu terms. 4+ is super, super niche.
What will software developers optimise/make for? The tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of people with more than 4 cores or for the most part those with 2 core laptops.
Soldato
A lot of AAA titles are going to more than 4 cores now.
Bf1, overwatch, destiny2, the division just to name a few.
I've seen a few people/sites say this (about the price). I'm team red, but I don't get this at all. At £350 it's £50 cheaper than an R7 1800x, and if the benches above are right it's about on par with the 1800x for multi and faster for single threaded. Plus it has an iGPU. That's hardly terrible in comparison, surely? I agree though, bring on the price drops. AMD dropping the price of the 1700x for two weeks seems a blatant attempt to hook more undecided buyers before Coffee comes out. It still makes a Taichi setup more expensive than the existing non-discounted 8Pack bundle though and you get a 'free' 240mm AIO in that. I'm still on the fence, but I'll 90% likely end up with the 1700 bundle, but will wait for the hopefully inevitable post-Coffee price drops.
Soldato
4690K here...
Intel will now be offering more than 4 miserable cores in the mainstream but they are still way over priced, the 8600K and 8700K will no doubt with the higher Mhz appeal to a lot of people but to me that doesn't make them worth £300 to £350+.
Intel are not the only CPU suppler anymore and no matter how high they clock their CPU's their competitions CPU's are pretty bloody high performance and very efficient in their own right, Intel can't take that away from those chips, and they are far less expensive.
I'm in no rush yet, i'll wait to see how AMD react to this.
Intel's pricing is still stupid.
According to German etailer who posted prices, 8700K is around €380-400 (price includes VAT), with the current exchange rate, we are looking £360-370 in UK. If not more with added price gouging "due to demand"
Also thats inline with the $485 CAN price (no sales tax) leaked back in August, which makes it £300+VAT.
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For new builds yes but for people that want to upgrade a current system the older chips make sense if the price is right.
Putting CL on a new platform means that 7700K and 8700K are not competing so much so for Sky/Kaby Lake platforms 7700K can still sell for a high price for upgrades.
That's a good reason to have a separate platform from Intel's perspective.
Depending on how much inventory is in the channel there may be deals.
The non K chips will be still be in boxes from Dell and the like for years so not much pricing pressure there.
They tend to offer them at a premium at first to keep margins high.
They've handled disruption before.
Soldato
R7 1700 is going for around £275 (some retailers giving it with Quake Champions also) so at least £80+ cheaper than the 8700K (£360-390). Someone can buy a good motherboard with that money to put it on and overclock it. (no cooler needed, wraith can handle 3.8 if you go easy on power). And ain't going to be dead end also in 6-7 months time.
Soldato
Actually given the prices of the 6900K/6950X even used ones, ain't worth to upgrade to them if you have a 6800K for example.
Is better to sell and build from scratch.
I do obviously understand that (and alluded as much in reference to the 1700 bundles). However even in Intel's case it's a little trite to compare their top SKU 8700k to a mid-SKU 1700 (not even 1700x) when comparing prices like for like. The 8700k is obviously Intel's best silicon for the range, in the same way the 1800x is. You could just as justifiably compare the 8700 or next k down to the 1700 to keep it fairer. It's all subjective, I'm just saying imho poo pooing the 8700k price is a little rich when 1800x is £50 more again, and doesn't have an iGPU. I'd still buy Ryzen ('glue' references and slides referencing WCCFTech, anyone? haha).
Intel force the comparisons to be that way because they lock all of their non-K CPUs, whereas AMD's are all unlocked. Having said that, Intel's chips boost so high these days that overclocking them gains so little to begin with that an i7-8700K plus a cheap H350 motherboard would be a fair comparison to an R7 1700 too. The cheaper boards won't be out at launch though.
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The 1700 and 1800x are essentially the same chip minus xfr and slightly better binning. The 1800x is for those who want to fit and forget, the 1700 has always been the better one to buy for those in the know due to it's bang for buck.
Now Intel segments it's product line so if you want a 8600k you only get 6c 6t, if you want a 8700 you the full 6c 12t but they are locked. The 1700,1700x and 1800x are all unlocked and the same 8c 16t cpu's.
Caporegime
Yes, what i'm saying is these prices are not going to hold.
1800X = £330
1700X = £270
1700 = £220
1600X = £180
1600 = £150
1500X = £130
1400 = £110
1300X = £90
1200 = £70
It's also Intel biggest weakness. AMD have a well priced long term socket and a £250 8 core 16 thread CPU that makes a very compelling argument when comparing it to anything Intel has to offer between £200 and £2000.
Yeah I can see see prices falling before Christmas.
Some chips are dipping close to those prices when they come up on offer. I've also seen some very good chip and board deals.
If the 1700 has a big price cut then it would be very competitive with the 8700k.