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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
People do realise "the source" for the Core i7 8700K clockspeeds is this post on HardOCP forums:

https://hardforum.com/threads/coffe...odels-planned.1930226/page-16#post-1043127762

I almost got excited for a second,but last time I checked he is an enthusiast on AT forums,who hasn't had any real exclusive access to leaks,and tends to mostly repost stuff.
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So Sweepr posting his own gotten information on several fora makes him a phony? I don't understand what you mean? His post is the first revelation so where do you gather he got it from then, it's obviously not a repost from elsewhere.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
So Sweepr posting his own gotten information on several fora makes him a phony? I don't understand what you mean? His post is the first revelation so where do you gather he got it from then, it's obviously not a repost from elsewhere.
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He has zero history of leaking stuff like that and I have been lurking on AT forums for nearly 8 years,so if suddenly has got world exclusive news that is quite a change TBH.

That is where he mostly posts,and I know you post on there too. Remember on this very forum people mock Wccftech for their "leaks" saying they use random stuff mentioned on forums,and even on AT forums they have actively mocked people who have come up with "leaks" like that. You don't believe me - look at the Vega thread on there where they attacked one of the Italian leak sites,even though they have on and off got some things correct(and other things entirely wrong). It even happened over there when CPC got that leaked Ryzen sample and some people were dubious of the results,despite them leaking the Athlon 64 results accurately years ago.

The issue is if people overhype the clockspeeds of Coffee Lake like this,and it happens that his exclusive is not quite right,people will end up having a go at Intel,not all the rumour sites. Remember the over hype for Skylake-X people did before launch?? Half the negativity is because enthusiasts did that,and not Intel.

Now he might be right so I would not discount it entirely to be fair to him as he might have some mate who works at Intel,but until we start getting more stuff leaked that actually confirms his numbers,I would just wait for some more sources to pop up. If he does put some screenshots up that would be even better.

Coffee Lake and Zen+ after all are top of my list for upgrading my IB Core i7 next year and I don't really overclock that much(mini-ITX system),so high stock clockspeeds would be great for me.
 
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@CAT-THE-FIFTH

Yeah I joined that forum recently because of the Intel and Volta stuff.

That's the nature of leaks; they may turn out to be wrong. For now I am inclined to accept the frequencies he posted because they extremely likely match the process and node etc. It maybe his first leak? Everything's got a first time. But I hear you.

People and sites being right in and off is meaningless to me because if you fire enough bullets you're bound to hit something at some point. I do agree fully with you that hypes are terrible.

I do OC and CFL-S at these frequencies is exactly what I'm after; the number of cores, high frequency and IPC (seemingly) - the best of all worlds, the best gaming CPU in the world. We'll have to wait and see.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
@CAT-THE-FIFTH

Yeah I joined that forum recently because of the Intel and Volta stuff.

That's the nature of leaks; they may turn out to be wrong. For now I am inclined to accept the frequencies he posted because they extremely likely match the process and node etc. It maybe his first leak? Everything's got a first time. But I hear you.

People and sites being right in and off is meaningless to me because if you fire enough bullets you're bound to hit something at some point. I do agree fully with you that hypes are terrible.

I do OC and CFL-S at these frequencies is exactly what I'm after; the number of cores, high frequency and IPC (seemingly) - the best of all worlds, the best gaming CPU in the world. We'll have to wait and see.
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Well at the very least it should make the Core i5 4C/8T or 6C/6T and that will be quite solid for a lot of gamers too,and hopefully we see 4C CPUs from Intel starting closer to £100 too instead of 2C/4T.
 
Sweepr said:
Intel® Core™ i7-8700K and Core™ i7-8700 Specifications - The Empire Strikes Back
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Sweepr said:
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Core i7-8700K
6C/12T
12MB L3
3.7 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.4 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.7 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

Core i7-8700
6C/12T
12MB L3
3.2 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.3 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.5 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 1-core Turbo
65W TDP
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Sweepr said:
Intel® Core™ i5-8600K and Core™ i5-8400 Specifications - Intel's Mainstream King
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Sweepr said:
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Core i5-8600K
6C/6T
9MB L3
3.6 GHz Base
4.1 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.2 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.2 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.3 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

Core i5-8400
6C/6T
9MB L3
2.8 GHz Base
3.8 GHz 6-core Turbo
3.9 GHz 4-core Turbo
3.9 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.0 GHz 1-core Turbo
65W TDP
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
AFAIK,from what I gather cores will trump HT in scaling,as HT is more about keeping larger cores well utilised,ie,at any one time 100% of a core is not fully. At least that is what I think?
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All I see time and time again in their tests is HT really being beneficial in a lot of titles. My own example is Watch Dogs 2 where I really miss it.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
All I see time and time again in their tests is HT really being beneficial in a lot of titles. My own example is Watch Dogs 2 where I really miss it.
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HT can really help to keep things smooth even though not always a raw framerate increase - its definitely something I'd rather have than not have with current CPUs.
 
At least he has released more detailed specs now,the i5 8400 actually looks pretty interesting especially if you look at probable pricing.

It should finally mean devs will have to start moving towards engines that support at least 4 to 6 cores well,as most of the mainstream stack between £100 to £200 will be 4 to 12 threads.

TheF34RChannel said:
All I see time and time again in their tests is HT really being beneficial in a lot of titles. My own example is Watch Dogs 2 where I really miss it.
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Compare a Pentium dual core to core i3 or a core i5, the core i5 will tend to scale better, and HT does not scale well as cores but I suppose you could argue it's 8 vs 6. But it will be interesting to see if some of the more adventurous sites will test the 6c Core i5 against a simulated cl 4c/8t Core i5 to see which would be better.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
Agreed! He had us guess over at the other forum and I said 3.7-3.9GHz base. Then again, who cares about base clocks. You decided to get one rad? I'll be picking it up myself.
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I would imagine that 3.7-3.9GHz is all about the official TPU numbers. Any higher and they wouldn't be able to meet their ~95W target. The actual silicon should be able to handle way more than that as long as people are able to keep it cool (Intel and their poor TIM and distance between die and IHS might be the biggest problem).
When delidded, a max overclock close to 5GHz should be possible but expect to have to budget for a very good cooler.
 
These chips make it to z270 boards or will intel be doing usual making it only on a new socket? Be nice to know I have potential to change from my cpu in future if needed
 
Rroff said:
HT can really help to keep things smooth even though not always a raw framerate increase - its definitely something I'd rather have than not have with current CPUs.
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Yeah had HT in my previous CPU and I can often see its usefulness bow that I lack it. For gaming I'd say chips without HT are dead now.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
At least he has released more detailed specs now,the i5 8400 actually looks pretty interesting especially if you look at probable pricing.
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Think he made a typo and it should be 8600 and not 8400.

KompuKare said:
I would imagine that 3.7-3.9GHz is all about the official TPU numbers. Any higher and they wouldn't be able to meet their ~95W target. The actual silicon should be able to handle way more than that as long as people are able to keep it cool (Intel and their poor TIM and distance between die and IHS might be the biggest problem).
When delidded, a max overclock close to 5GHz should be possible but expect to have to budget for a very good cooler.
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I'll have my Corsair H105 so I'm good.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well its quite clear now,that purely for gaming,SKL-X is worth skipping.
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Purely for gaming the HEDT never made sense to me, least of which now with SKL-X.

Mark1989 said:
These chips make it to z270 boards or will intel be doing usual making it only on a new socket? Be nice to know I have potential to change from my cpu in future if needed
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This gets asked every 5 posts, please read/search the last few pages of the thread before asking for repeat information. No offense :) in short: no one knows. 300 series is the word on the street.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
He has zero history of leaking stuff like that and I have been lurking on AT forums for nearly 8 years,so if suddenly has got world exclusive news that is quite a change TBH.

That is where he mostly posts,and I know you post on there too. Remember on this very forum people mock Wccftech for their "leaks" saying they use random stuff mentioned on forums,and even on AT forums they have actively mocked people who have come up with "leaks" like that. You don't believe me - look at the Vega thread on there where they attacked one of the Italian leak sites,even though they have on and off got some things correct(and other things entirely wrong). It even happened over there when CPC got that leaked Ryzen sample and some people were dubious of the results,despite them leaking the Athlon 64 results accurately years ago.

The issue is if people overhype the clockspeeds of Coffee Lake like this,and it happens that his exclusive is not quite right,people will end up having a go at Intel,not all the rumour sites. Remember the over hype for Skylake-X people did before launch?? Half the negativity is because enthusiasts did that,and not Intel.

Now he might be right so I would not discount it entirely to be fair to him as he might have some mate who works at Intel,but until we start getting more stuff leaked that actually confirms his numbers,I would just wait for some more sources to pop up. If he does put some screenshots up that would be even better.

Coffee Lake and Zen+ after all are top of my list for upgrading my IB Core i7 next year and I don't really overclock that much(mini-ITX system),so high stock clockspeeds would be great for me.
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Over-hyping by the fans is exactly what occurs everywhere. See Ryzen.
It's been excellent, to a point where there's little real reason to buy Intel but I'd bet there's certain folks would be happy to try and make the most of the extreme Ryzen hype and the chip not meeting those silly expectations.

So, anyway, what do these have over the Ryzens to justify the usual Intel markup? Not really been following.
 
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