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lol... who can argue with that.
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Intel’s surprise Ryzen killer
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lol... who can argue with that.
It won't work.
Zen 3 is scheduled for this Autumn with at least 15% IPC improvement.
Zen 4 is a die shrink next year around the same time. Give or take at least 15% IPC improvement there plus the possibility for double the core count which on its own may be 100% performance improvement.
Too bad that they need these click-bait headlines in order to scare the birds on the trees
Considering 5 year old Skylake and 5.5 year old 14nm process still beats brand new Ryzen in gaming, Intel don't have to do much to get a much bigger lead.
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They really do, they are backporting and compromising products onto 14+, they have a multitude of security issues to fix, power to get under control (without the process to do it) as well as a whole host of other issues to get on top of. You are clearly under some sort of impression that Intel can deliver another skylake which is super unlikely and is also why skylake has been rebranded seemingly a million times, skylake is at the absolute limit of what it can deliver but guess what Intel also don't have an interconnect to compete properly when it comes to MCM designs. Mate you are bound to be disappointed if you think they will deliver anything even semi decent in the next 18 months.
At this stage they might not even be able to get pci-e gen4 to market in time and in line with everyone else. It doesn't matter how good skylake was compared to where we are today its woefully inefficient, doesn't have the core count to compete where it actually matters to intel i.e businesses and frankly today isn't actually that good. Their back is properly against the wall and they got nothing at this point. If they deliver 10 cores as the top end of the next monolithic arc they are basically done for another year as people rightfully expect more.
the problem isnt intel ! so many get this wrong its AMD ! they cant catch up with intel. intel just chill at the top. AMD just scraping behind so everyone hates on intel just putting out top cpus year in year out.
intel will probably have faster than amd cpus coming soon. even with new amd cpus coming soon. so many dont think logically about it on here.
look at now. amd cpus current line up is the same performance as two generations back intel cpus. the new amd cpus will bring them upto about now intel gen. then intel will release a newer gen after amd drop. so its just the same old story AMD is the ones playing catch up. intel just put out the goods all the time and everyone hates on em. forget prices and everything else think logically its AMD who struggle year in year out. not intel.
Oh look, shill bot returns! Allow me to get my popcorn out and read through this gibberish. On second thoughts, i don't fancy the idea of lapsing into a Coma.
If 1080p gaming is your only metric, literally your only metric then fine. In anything else you are wrong, even right now look at the laptop space. It's basically a blood bath if you look at like for like comparisons, if you look at power usage (where traditionally intel were in another league) it's the same, a blood bath. In the desktop at any given power metric Intel lose. There really isn't any argument from anybody else here and If you take it further and look at the server space and into power metrics, density, clocks, price... again you can't argue in Intels favour. The only times you can are 1) you are a hyperscaler with reliance on intel chips to scale out 2) you run intel specific code.
Most people just see it for what it is, Intel dropped the ball, the company is in tatters and desperately trying to adjust and restructure, a resurgent AMD caught them off guard with innovation they couldn't dream up which imo isn't even zen, although zen and ryzen are great products the real master strokes are the proper engineering ones like infinity fabric. Everyone wants Intel to do what you are saying but the issue is they just haven't got the tech right now to do it like the competition can. We all want them to get it together and release more competitive innovative products but we need to be realistic in that timeframe needed to do that.
You're actually a joker
Do you even believe that line yourself? Read above for some logic.
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So tell me DG, what drugs have you been taking today? Hhahaha /Boycie off
Intel have been handed their arse in a carrier bag. I'm not talking about a bag for life either, but of those private corner shop type of bags, that you can watch biodegrade in front of your eyes.
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^^^^^^This 100%
I think that DG has been in denial for the the last 3 years or so. For someone that professes to know so much about cpu's, he/she shows they really don't know much at all. Let's face it, apart from certain games at very low res most if not all Intel cpu's have already been blown into the sticky stuff long ago.
It's because of the games being optimised to run best on CPUs with Ring bus. Once Intel moves to another interconnect like mesh or something more similar to AMD's IF, things will become more equal.
AMD needs to release Zen 3 sooner in order to move the gaming crowd a bit to its side.
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Anyone else also getting a little tired of @~>Dg<~ constantly going on about Intel vs Ryzen gaming comparisons? he's literally the only one on the forum doing this now and he does this like we don't know or disagree with him.
As @Vince pointed out every other metric, performance, power consumption, cost.... But no, just bang on about that one tiny thread Intel still hold on to, 1080P gaming.
We know @~>Dg<~ we know, we just don't care....
As @Vince pointed out every other metric, performance, power consumption, cost.... But no, just bang on about that one tiny thread Intel still hold on to, 1080P gaming.
We know @~>Dg<~ we know, we just don't care....
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Never change dg. 
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Intel got no pcie4, all tech websites and channels are switching to AMD because Intel is going to suck with new gpus coming in 2 weeks.
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If 1080p gaming is your only metric, literally your only metric then fine. In anything else you are wrong, even right now look at the laptop space. It's basically a blood bath if you look at like for like comparisons, if you look at power usage (where traditionally intel were in another league) it's the same, a blood bath. In the desktop at any given power metric Intel lose. There really isn't any argument from anybody else here and If you take it further and look at the server space and into power metrics, density, clocks, price... again you can't argue in Intels favour. The only times you can are 1) you are a hyperscaler with reliance on intel chips to scale out 2) you run intel specific code.
Most people just see it for what it is, Intel dropped the ball, the company is in tatters and desperately trying to adjust and restructure, a resurgent AMD caught them off guard with innovation they couldn't dream up which imo isn't even zen, although zen and ryzen are great products the real master strokes are the proper engineering ones like infinity fabric. Everyone wants Intel to do what you are saying but the issue is they just haven't got the tech right now to do it like the competition can. We all want them to get it together and release more competitive innovative products but we need to be realistic in that timeframe needed to do that.
You're actually a joker
Do you even believe that line yourself? Read above for some logic.
If we use other resolution metrics it can flip the switch too. The latest CPU comparison put out by Hardware Unboxed using only new 2020 games shows a 3950x being the fastest gaming CPU money can buy at 4K resolution. And that's using 3 years old pcie3 graphics cards, AMDs lead will grow much bigger in a few weeks with High end pcie4 monsters
Morality and customer respect should be a metric as well, So thats another win for AMD. Intel can keep thier yearly socket changes and 1080p advantage. Enjoy it because the crows are circling like they said in Troy.
most people do like AMD better than Intel but thats often the case with under dogs or...anyone not at the top. everyone always hates a winner. will be great to see the new cpus soon. AMD will finally be on par with a intel product.
I’m hearing pre built business machines and OEM system vendors are getting at stuck with warehouses of Intel stock and want to negotiate rebates/returns. It seems the master race will be the source of the subsidise funding. Sadly I’m hearing only Dg and Rayan Shrout have forward cheques so far.
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This is good, the more the polish rubs off Intel the better for all of us, this "Just get Intel they are the safe bet" attitude among OEM's needs to be smashed and it looks like that's exactly what is happening, Motherboard vendors are also #### off sitting on mountains of Intel motherboards they can''t sell.
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