Intel’s surprise Ryzen killer

[Kelt]

AMD releases a Ryzen killer every year. We call it progress. Are we supposed to be impressed when Intel does this once every 14 years?

Spot on.

 

[humbug]

Origin PC building very high-end Special Edition Ryzen based MS Flight Sim PC's.

Just a year ago these sort of PC's would have been Intel and Intel only... things are changing.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

A word of warning, Raja Koduri, formerly of AMD Graphics, is the same guy who massively over hyped AMD's lacklustre and very much wanting Polaris and Vega GPU's.

Oh come on now its sure to be an overclocker's dream I just know it.

 

[humbug]

Oh come on now its sure to be an overclocker's dream I just know it.

lol... seriously tho clock limits have been reached on 14nm, the 7700K clocked 5 - 5.2Ghz, 8700K the same, 9900K the same. 10900K 5.2Ghz.

 

[4K8KW10]

Might be possible - leaked benchmark of a 1.38GHz early ES.
Coming in H2 2021 with DDR5 and PCIe 5.

Alder Lake 24-thread CPU (8/16 + 8/8):
Processor Arithmetic 224.74GOPS 1.38GHz 33% of the Ryzen 7 3700X clock for 80% of the performance
Processor Multi-Media 438.26Mpix/s 1.38GHz
.NET Arithmetic 69.66GOPS 1.38GHz
.NET Multi-Media 50.97Mpix/s 1.38GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 6.72GB/s 1.38GHz

Ryzen 7 3700X:
Processor Arithmetic 281.26GOPS 4.17GHz
Processor Multi-Media 854.70Mpix/s 4.20GHz
.NET Arithmetic 79.14GOPS 3.92GHz
.NET Multi-Media 249.79Mpix/s 3.89GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 18.14GB/s 4.17GHz
https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/sho...b885b492fac7f2d4ac91a086e386bb8baddee3db&l=en


https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...threads-leaks-on-sisoftware-benchmark-website

 

[humbug]

Might be possible - leaked benchmark of a 1.38GHz early ES.
Coming in H2 2021 with DDR5 and PCIe 5.

Alder Lake 24-thread CPU (8/16 + 8/8):
Processor Arithmetic 224.74GOPS 1.38GHz 33% of the Ryzen 7 3700X clock for 80% of the performance
Processor Multi-Media 438.26Mpix/s 1.38GHz
.NET Arithmetic 69.66GOPS 1.38GHz
.NET Multi-Media 50.97Mpix/s 1.38GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 6.72GB/s 1.38GHz

Ryzen 7 3700X:
Processor Arithmetic 281.26GOPS 4.17GHz
Processor Multi-Media 854.70Mpix/s 4.20GHz
.NET Arithmetic 79.14GOPS 3.92GHz
.NET Multi-Media 249.79Mpix/s 3.89GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 18.14GB/s 4.17GHz
https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/sho...b885b492fac7f2d4ac91a086e386bb8baddee3db&l=en


https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...threads-leaks-on-sisoftware-benchmark-website

Intel's own shoftware.

Yes they own it, they have also been using it for years to say "Look the 3770K is 20% faster than the 2600X > the 4770K 20% faster than the 3770K.............................." when in reality there is 3.5% between each successive generation.

Its Intel benchmarking their own CPU's using their own tools.

 

[MoX_Farrow]

Morality and customer respect should be a metric as well, So thats another win for AMD. Intel can keep thier yearly socket changes and 1080p advantage. Enjoy it because the crows are circling like they said in Troy.

Honestly this is one of the biggest annoyances I have with Intel - every processor requires a new chipset.

I know these will be the last on AM4 but I really appreciate how long AMD make their chipsets and sockets last.

 

[Housey]

So will this work with my 3DFX, and is that still good till 2030?

 

[Dave2150]

Might be possible - leaked benchmark of a 1.38GHz early ES.
Coming in H2 2021 with DDR5 and PCIe 5.

Alder Lake 24-thread CPU (8/16 + 8/8):
Processor Arithmetic 224.74GOPS 1.38GHz 33% of the Ryzen 7 3700X clock for 80% of the performance
Processor Multi-Media 438.26Mpix/s 1.38GHz
.NET Arithmetic 69.66GOPS 1.38GHz
.NET Multi-Media 50.97Mpix/s 1.38GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 6.72GB/s 1.38GHz

Ryzen 7 3700X:
Processor Arithmetic 281.26GOPS 4.17GHz
Processor Multi-Media 854.70Mpix/s 4.20GHz
.NET Arithmetic 79.14GOPS 3.92GHz
.NET Multi-Media 249.79Mpix/s 3.89GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 18.14GB/s 4.17GHz
https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/sho...b885b492fac7f2d4ac91a086e386bb8baddee3db&l=en


https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...threads-leaks-on-sisoftware-benchmark-website

Jesus, Ryzen will be the next bulldozer next to this bad boy. Roll on Alder Lake!

 

[snips86x]

Jesus, Ryzen will be the next bulldozer next to this bad boy. Roll on Alder Lake!

But not as bad as the actual bulldozer cpus lol

 

[4K8KW10]

But not as bad as the actual bulldozer cpus lol

Because of the chiplet design, AMD has the freedom to compete with many more cores, even if they end being slower.

Rocket-Lake-S is for March 2021 release with PCIe 4.
Very interesting times ahead. The best part is to have real competition because today we have no competition - only gaming is for Intel, everything else is AMD.
Intel doesn't compete neither on price, nor TDP, nor core count / multi-threading performance.


https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-11th-gen-core-rocket-lake-s-series-expected-in-2021

 

[Hedge]

Even if this turns out true AMD will have sold thousands of chips by then.

 

[humbug]

Even if this turns out true AMD will have sold thousands of chips by then.

They won't anyway. A number of different reasons.

They have 16 CPU cores in them, 8 big one with Hyper Threading and 8 little ones without, effectively a 24 thread CPU tho we don't know how much performance the smaller cores have in of themselves. Whatever is comparing them to a 16 thread Ryzen of current generation is a bit daft, which brings me to my next point.

These will be competing with Zen 3, possibly even Zen 4.

They are DDR5 and given a lot of Intel's benchmark is just purely meaningless Floating Point Throughput numbers the DDR5 alone will account for a lot of those meaningless numbers, its a bit like the RTX 3080 having two times the FP32 performance of the 2080TI but in reality only being 30% faster.

When you take all of that into account these number are remarkably unimpressive.

 

[tommoT.Striker]

Alder Lake 'released' in Dec 2021, available Feb 2022??

 

[Shaolin Chicken]

Alder lake might be worth watching.

 

[pc-guy]

the big little (BL) design will be limited by the number of big cores available for games etc.

I think the video mentioned that it is 8 big core and 8 little core. that processor will give you similar performance to what the Zen3 8c part and defintely will be behind 12c part - assuming the 10nm superfin is on par in terms of transistor size as TSMC 7nm. 10nm SF maybe be a superior node, but intel has consistently said it is not as refined and doesnt yield as well.

issue with BL design is that you deploy it against an all big core design where wattage draw doesnt matter ie gaming pc, workstations, rendering machines, you will loose out to the all big core (comparing 8B+8L with 16C AMD). the BL just wont have the same amount "horse power".

honestly, intel is better off marketting these designs to laptop sector than trying to bring them onto desktop space. desktop space they need to upper their big core counts to more than 8c to realistically compete. if they are offering only 8 big cores then it is going to be game over for them...no pun intended.

 

[smilingcrow]

Intel can keep thier yearly socket changes

Honestly this is one of the biggest annoyances I have with Intel - every processor requires a new chipset.

Guys, it's so easy to criticize Intel right now that there's no need to lie or exaggerate.
This is particularly ironic as the next generation Lake chips uses the same socket/boards as the current one.
They generally average a new socket every two years with the odd slip.
When you get basic facts wrong your general credibility is diminished.

 

[Destination]

Might be possible - leaked benchmark of a 1.38GHz early ES.
Coming in H2 2021 with DDR5 and PCIe 5.

Alder Lake 24-thread CPU (8/16 + 8/8):
Processor Arithmetic 224.74GOPS 1.38GHz 33% of the Ryzen 7 3700X clock for 80% of the performance
Processor Multi-Media 438.26Mpix/s 1.38GHz
.NET Arithmetic 69.66GOPS 1.38GHz
.NET Multi-Media 50.97Mpix/s 1.38GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 6.72GB/s 1.38GHz

Ryzen 7 3700X:
Processor Arithmetic 281.26GOPS 4.17GHz
Processor Multi-Media 854.70Mpix/s 4.20GHz
.NET Arithmetic 79.14GOPS 3.92GHz
.NET Multi-Media 249.79Mpix/s 3.89GHz
Processor Cryptography (High Security) 18.14GB/s 4.17GHz
https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/sho...b885b492fac7f2d4ac91a086e386bb8baddee3db&l=en


https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...threads-leaks-on-sisoftware-benchmark-website

Intel have nothing with PCIE4 yet, they won't be onto PCIE5 by next year, nor will it have DDR5.

I'll be this is just spIntel Shrouting a day before AMD announce actual things that may exists in the near future, and perform well.
Oddly in those benches, it also shows a chip getting utterly destroyed in most of the tests, despite having 24 threads.

 

[Dave2150]

AMD releases a Ryzen killer every year. We call it progress. Are we supposed to be impressed when Intel does this once every 14 years?

AMD must be doing something wrong if they still can't match or beat Skylake's gaming performance..... Hopefully Zen 3 will finally take the all importing gaming performance crown! Though not sure how long they'll hold it, with this monster waiting in the wings.

 

[Dave2150]

Guys, it's so easy to criticize Intel right now that there's no need to lie or exaggerate.
This is particularly ironic as the next generation Lake chips uses the same socket/boards as the current one.
They generally average a new socket every two years with the odd slip.
When you get basic facts wrong your general credibility is diminished.

There are AMD fanatics here that insisted Bulldozer was competitive back in the day, there's no arguing with that type of person/mentality.