Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17

Just figured out the reason for Button's dip in form mid way through the season. He wants a hollywood film studio to buy into the rights of a dramatic story and he wanted an up and down and twisty in and out script. He got it!!! :D
 
Skeeter said:
Uh.... apart from the fact the Brawn car was the Honda that was in development for 15 months before the start of the 09 season, and was sat waiting over the winter while they sorted out who would buy the team?

Yes it was the same people who built it who are now Brawn, but if you think they rushed to get a car ready in time, doing all the work when they had been bought, you are very much mistaken.
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A design that would never have seen the light of day had Ross Brawn not kept the team up and running. I guess Ross Brawn got the design from Honda as well yes?
 
Dr Who said:
A design that would never have seen the light of day had Ross Brawn not kept the team up and running. I guess Ross Brawn got the design from Honda as well yes?
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No no, you missed my point. The car had heavy involvement from Ross as thats why Honda employed him. All the people who built the car were what formed the Brawn team, but its the fact people seem to think the car was built in a month before the first race once Brawn had bought the team thats wrong. The car was the result of 15 months of hard work by the Honda team, and Ross did a great job to see a good thing and keep it going. Im just keen to correct anyone that thinks Brawns car was thrown together in a month and bunged into track just in time for Australia. Im not questioning the great leadership from Brawn and the hard work of the team, but its not the miracle super quick job people seem to think it is. The exact same thing would have happened if Honda hadnt sold the team, but this season has shown that Brawn could clearly see potential where Honda couldn't.
 
Dr Who said:
A design that would never have seen the light of day had Ross Brawn not kept the team up and running. I guess Ross Brawn got the design from Honda as well yes?
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how much money did honda give ross brawn when he *bought* the team out again? you realise technically they paid him to take it off there hands because it was a hell of a lot cheaper than dismantling everything and ended tons of contracts?

still no forum replay online :S ? can find them all but brazil google usually finds them within hours of the race
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...a+1+Replay+grand+prix+forum&btnG=Search&meta=
 
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arknor said:
how much money did honda give ross brawn when he *bought* the team out again? you realise technically they paid him to take it off there hands because it was a hell of a lot cheaper than dismantling everything and ended tons of contracts?

still no forum replay online :S ? can find them all but brazil google usually finds them within hours of the race
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...a+1+Replay+grand+prix+forum&btnG=Search&meta=
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Still less than Ferrari and McLaren spent (and possibly even Red Bull), I believe it was £100m that Honda lent / gave Brawn

Skeeter said:
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Of course - that would be totally impossible. Remember though they had hardly done any on track testing before the season, NO wet weather testing at all, and the Merc engine was forced in any way it would fit (as the chasis was designed around the Honda unit) all a few weeks before Aus

They would have had an easier winter if it was "only" the car that wasnt designed lol
 
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that doesnt count all the man hours they spent on the car though i bet if you were to add everything up it would be a lot more.
honda spent 1.5billion on formula one in 5 years aparently.
1.5/5 = a lot of money
 
arknor said:
that doesnt count all the man hours they spent on the car though i bet if you were to add everything up it would be a lot more.
honda spent 1.5billion on formula one in 5 years aparently.
1.5/5 = a lot of money
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as before Mclaren and Ferrari are reported to have spent £400m a season or there abouts and Toyota too

frakker said:
That was their interim diffuser. The 'proper one' came along at Silverstone when they turned everything around and became competitive on just about all circuits rather than the high-speed ones.
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As I said Red Bull had a double diffuser at Monaco - whether its "interim" or not , it was on the car.
 
yea but i was trying to make a point notonly did they give brawn a lot of money they spent a lot of money setting up the factory and everything that goes with it and all the money on development and wages they spent before brawn took over.

its not as though brawn were giving 100m and had to build a car most of the work had already been done and he basicly had to carry on running the team which is a massive ammount of money compared to a team that has to start everything up.

money they didnt have to spent should be counting as money honda gave them because obviously honda paid for it
 
arknor said:
yea but i was trying to make a point notonly did they give brawn a lot of money they spent a lot of money setting up the factory and everything that goes with it and all the money on development and wages they spent before brawn took over.

its not as though brawn were giving 100m and had to build a car most of the work had already been done and he basicly had to carry on running the team which is a massive ammount of money compared to a team that has to start everything up.

money they didnt have to spent should be counting as money honda gave them because obviously honda paid for it
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How much do you think McLaren spent on their relatively new place in Woking?

I can bet you the cost of that went nowhere near the budget for the F1 team - why is that any different?

Whatever the circumstances Brawn (as a team) did incredibly well - however you want to discredit the double achievement

McLaren havent done the double for donkey's years - Ferrari only managed it in 2007 thanks to Spygate (dont want to start that old chestnut up again) but otherwise did the double 7 times in the last 10 years with a MUCH larger annual spend (and according to reports that wasnt even including MS's salary for the last few years)

That shows how difficult it is no matter what budget the team has, but I can assure you what Brawn spent from Jan - now is far less than Ferrari, Toyota, McLaren and possibly a few others (even incl the payoffs for a 1/4 of the workforce)
 
Well you can try and take it away Button and Brawn, but you can't take it away from me. I thoroughly enjoyed the race yesterday and this season as a whole. I watch F1 to be entertained and I was just that, Button did everything a Modern F1 driver could yesterday.

If Button had qualified pole, the way he drove yesterday I doubt he would have dropped back like Barrichello did, and that's what set them apart and shows why the best car is not always the be all and end all. He clmbed out of his comfort zone, adjusted his driving style and faced his demons head on to get the result he needed yesterday. If that isn't what diving in F1 is all about I don't know what is.

All 4 title contenders were worthy this year, no doubt about it, and no scandals or silly penalties can overshadow thier season. Can't say fairer than that.
 
First off, having to bolt in a new engine at the 11th hour is no mean feat, it would have thrown out to carefully designed weight distribution a great deal (as Ross Brawn actually stated earlier in the year). Also, remember that Williams and Toyota also had double diffusers.

Barichello lends button his jet

what a thouroughly nice bloke, a true gentleman in every sense of the word.
 
huh, just watching the replay of the Kova pitlane incident, looks like the lollipop came up before the fuel hose was out. Also nice to see the Brawn guys rushing to Kova's aid and taking the fuel hose out for him, very sporting!
 
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