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lol why do people keep saying this.
Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17
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lol why do people keep saying this.
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I see that MacLaren are getting fined $50,000 for an unsafe pit release.....what did Renault get for that again? Oh wait, nothing 
Don't understand brits that dont support a british driver, guess they are the same as Manchester United fans that live in India?
A design that would never have seen the light of day had Ross Brawn not kept the team up and running. I guess Ross Brawn got the design from Honda as well yes?
No no, you missed my point. The car had heavy involvement from Ross as thats why Honda employed him. All the people who built the car were what formed the Brawn team, but its the fact people seem to think the car was built in a month before the first race once Brawn had bought the team thats wrong. The car was the result of 15 months of hard work by the Honda team, and Ross did a great job to see a good thing and keep it going. Im just keen to correct anyone that thinks Brawns car was thrown together in a month and bunged into track just in time for Australia. Im not questioning the great leadership from Brawn and the hard work of the team, but its not the miracle super quick job people seem to think it is. The exact same thing would have happened if Honda hadnt sold the team, but this season has shown that Brawn could clearly see potential where Honda couldn't.
how much money did honda give ross brawn when he *bought* the team out again? you realise technically they paid him to take it off there hands because it was a hell of a lot cheaper than dismantling everything and ended tons of contracts?
still no forum replay online :S ? can find them all but brazil google usually finds them within hours of the race
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...a+1+Replay+grand+prix+forum&btnG=Search&meta=
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Still less than Ferrari and McLaren spent (and possibly even Red Bull), I believe it was £100m that Honda lent / gave Brawn
Of course - that would be totally impossible. Remember though they had hardly done any on track testing before the season, NO wet weather testing at all, and the Merc engine was forced in any way it would fit (as the chasis was designed around the Honda unit) all a few weeks before Aus
They would have had an easier winter if it was "only" the car that wasnt designed lol
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as before Mclaren and Ferrari are reported to have spent £400m a season or there abouts and Toyota too
As I said Red Bull had a double diffuser at Monaco - whether its "interim" or not , it was on the car.
yea but i was trying to make a point notonly did they give brawn a lot of money they spent a lot of money setting up the factory and everything that goes with it and all the money on development and wages they spent before brawn took over.
its not as though brawn were giving 100m and had to build a car most of the work had already been done and he basicly had to carry on running the team which is a massive ammount of money compared to a team that has to start everything up.
money they didnt have to spent should be counting as money honda gave them because obviously honda paid for it
its not as though brawn were giving 100m and had to build a car most of the work had already been done and he basicly had to carry on running the team which is a massive ammount of money compared to a team that has to start everything up.
money they didnt have to spent should be counting as money honda gave them because obviously honda paid for it
How much do you think McLaren spent on their relatively new place in Woking?
I can bet you the cost of that went nowhere near the budget for the F1 team - why is that any different?
Whatever the circumstances Brawn (as a team) did incredibly well - however you want to discredit the double achievement
McLaren havent done the double for donkey's years - Ferrari only managed it in 2007 thanks to Spygate (dont want to start that old chestnut up again) but otherwise did the double 7 times in the last 10 years with a MUCH larger annual spend (and according to reports that wasnt even including MS's salary for the last few years)
That shows how difficult it is no matter what budget the team has, but I can assure you what Brawn spent from Jan - now is far less than Ferrari, Toyota, McLaren and possibly a few others (even incl the payoffs for a 1/4 of the workforce)
JRS just destroyed sunama in a big way.
Meh, he's had it coming for the last few years.
I see that MacLaren are getting fined $50,000 for an unsafe pit release.....what did Renault get for that again? Oh wait, nothing
Renault International Assistance, of course.
Well you can try and take it away Button and Brawn, but you can't take it away from me. I thoroughly enjoyed the race yesterday and this season as a whole. I watch F1 to be entertained and I was just that, Button did everything a Modern F1 driver could yesterday.
If Button had qualified pole, the way he drove yesterday I doubt he would have dropped back like Barrichello did, and that's what set them apart and shows why the best car is not always the be all and end all. He clmbed out of his comfort zone, adjusted his driving style and faced his demons head on to get the result he needed yesterday. If that isn't what diving in F1 is all about I don't know what is.
All 4 title contenders were worthy this year, no doubt about it, and no scandals or silly penalties can overshadow thier season. Can't say fairer than that.
If Button had qualified pole, the way he drove yesterday I doubt he would have dropped back like Barrichello did, and that's what set them apart and shows why the best car is not always the be all and end all. He clmbed out of his comfort zone, adjusted his driving style and faced his demons head on to get the result he needed yesterday. If that isn't what diving in F1 is all about I don't know what is.
All 4 title contenders were worthy this year, no doubt about it, and no scandals or silly penalties can overshadow thier season. Can't say fairer than that.
First off, having to bolt in a new engine at the 11th hour is no mean feat, it would have thrown out to carefully designed weight distribution a great deal (as Ross Brawn actually stated earlier in the year). Also, remember that Williams and Toyota also had double diffusers.
Barichello lends button his jet
what a thouroughly nice bloke, a true gentleman in every sense of the word.
Barichello lends button his jet
what a thouroughly nice bloke, a true gentleman in every sense of the word.
