Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17

Skeeter said:
No no, you missed my point. The car had heavy involvement from Ross as thats why Honda employed him. All the people who built the car were what formed the Brawn team, but its the fact people seem to think the car was built in a month before the first race once Brawn had bought the team thats wrong. The car was the result of 15 months of hard work by the Honda team, and Ross did a great job to see a good thing and keep it going. Im just keen to correct anyone that thinks Brawns car was thrown together in a month and bunged into track just in time for Australia. Im not questioning the great leadership from Brawn and the hard work of the team, but its not the miracle super quick job people seem to think it is. The exact same thing would have happened if Honda hadnt sold the team, but this season has shown that Brawn could clearly see potential where Honda couldn't.
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And you are missing the substantial amount of work involved to now use the Mercedes engine instead of a Honda.
 
Dr Who said:
And you are missing the substantial amount of work involved to now use the Mercedes engine instead of a Honda.
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indeed, IIRC Ross Brawn said a couple of months ago that it threw the whole carefully developed weight distribution out of the window and they had to rejig a fair few things to get it to work well.
 
Interesting column by Mark Hughes here on Button's worthiness of being champion etc.

"Even now Jenson Button is the Formula 1 world champion, there are those questioning whether he is worthy of the crown.

Because he has been around F1 since 2000, a certain perception of him has built up - and people hate letting go of their preconceptions.

How can this guy they have never particularly rated suddenly be a world champion? How can a driver who took until his seventh season to even win a race really be mentioned in the same breath as such instant legends as Fernando Alonso or Lewis Hamilton?

Very easily, actually."

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The frames picture on my wall I had printed from Brawn's first (well only) pre-season test (with plain looking car) suddenly becomes more interesting, just knowing what they went through to get to that stage and what lay ahead :eek:
 
Quote from F1.com about all the incidents:

Trulli, McLaren, Kovalainen penalised for infringements

Jarno Trulli (ITA) Toyota. Formula One World Championship, Rd 16, Brazilian Grand Prix, Race Day, Interlagos, Sao Paulo, Brazil, Sunday, 18 October 2009 Tempers flare between Sutil and Trulli after the accident Kovalainen drives off after his first pit stop with the fuel hose still connected

The opening laps of Sunday’s Brazilian Grand Prix were a busy time for the Interlagos race stewards, with several incidents taking place in close succession. As a result Toyota’s Jarno Trulli, McLaren and their driver Heikki Kovalainen have each been handed penalties.

On the first lap Trulli and Force India’s Adrian Sutil tangled as the Italian attempted a move on the German. After considering video evidence and telemetry data, the stewards decided not to take any further action, labelling the coming together as a racing incident.

But after ‘failing to leave the track as required by the marshals immediately after the incident and aggressively confronting Sutil’, Trulli was found to have breached Article 151 (c) of the 2009 FIA International Sporting Code, which rules against ‘any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally.’ Consequently he was reprimanded and fined US$10,000.

With the safety car deployed for the Trulli-Sutil incident, there was drama in the pit-lane soon after, when Kovalainen exited his pit too early, leaving with his fuel hose still attached to the car. Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen, who was right behind the emerging McLaren, got a face fuel of fuel, which then ignited.

McLaren were fined $50,000 for the unsafe pit stop release, while their Finnish driver was given a drive-through penalty. As this was handed down after the race had finished, 25 seconds were instead added to his race time, dropping him from ninth to 12th in the final results.

An earlier Lap One incident between Kovalainen and Ferrari’s Giancarlo Fisichella, in which the McLaren driver was sent spinning into the Italian after being tagged by Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel, was deemed a racing incident.
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lol at them almost fighting, although it was clearly Trulli's own fault imo.

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philjohn said:
huh, just watching the replay of the Kova pitlane incident, looks like the lollipop came up before the fuel hose was out. Also nice to see the Brawn guys rushing to Kova's aid and taking the fuel hose out for him, very sporting!
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Was really nice to see, Brawn are too nice!
I loved the fact that last year everyone just sat and watched the Ferrari Mechanics run down the pitlane to help Massa. :D
 
PinkFloyd said:
Was really nice to see, Brawn are too nice!
I loved the fact that last year everyone just sat and watched the Ferrari Mechanics run down the pitlane to help Massa. :D
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Indeed, their actions are especially sweet given inaction by other teams last year, maybe shows a little bit what each team thinks of the other.
 
smr said:
Interesting column by Mark Hughes here on Button's worthiness of being champion etc.

"Even now Jenson Button is the Formula 1 world champion, there are those questioning whether he is worthy of the crown.

Because he has been around F1 since 2000, a certain perception of him has built up - and people hate letting go of their preconceptions.

How can this guy they have never particularly rated suddenly be a world champion? How can a driver who took until his seventh season to even win a race really be mentioned in the same breath as such instant legends as Fernando Alonso or Lewis Hamilton?

Very easily, actually."

Read more...
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if you havent got the car underneath you wont win in F1
look at hamiton in the first half of the season and alonso all season
so people need to stop saying button not a worthy world champ because he took so long to win it etc
 
Im suprised at what people are arguing over in here.

Can't people just be happy for someone? Im no Jenson fan, infact I think he is a complete tool and a waste of space, but you can't deny the fact that if you win a championship you can't be that bad. Im happy for the man to prove me wrong, and I would be the first person to shake his hand and congratulate him. FFS people, just get over yourselves and be happy that we have a british champion for a second year running.

As for Brawn GP, again, Im happy they have done so well this year, and am glad that RB gave the nod to say thankyou to the million and one people Honda over employed when they ran the place.
 
philjohn said:
huh, just watching the replay of the Kova pitlane incident, looks like the lollipop came up before the fuel hose was out. Also nice to see the Brawn guys rushing to Kova's aid and taking the fuel hose out for him, very sporting!
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Yeah, i though that was very sporting of Brawn GP too. Reminded me a bit of the "Days of thunder" film.

NASCAR Official: [after noticing Tim and his pit crew helping Cole's pit crew push Cole on to the race track] Hey! You can't do that, that's not your car.
Tim Daland: It's my engine in that car, I gave them that engine and that's what my boys are pushing!

Well, perhaps not THEIR engine, but still.
:D

Only bad point was that i was looking forward to the McLaren pit crew doing the 100m sprint down the pit lane, with the Ferrari guys clapping them along in a reversal of the Massa / Singapore fuel rig accident from last year
 
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