Internet Atheism

DisrupTor75 · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:19

Jason2 said:
What a load of old tosh! Perhaps you'd like to come and call me mentally ill to my face?

Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek"

inogen · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:19

Craterloads said:
Again as I suggested, it's either an Atheists way or no way. There's no room for others opinions to exist side by side within atheism, very unaccepting.

Always discussions like this the end with a bunch of people ganging up and attacking someone because their opinion is different.

The hypocracy is staggering.

Ha ha ha! like it's the atheists doing all the persecuting all this time. Ha ha ha!.

By the way, it's spelled hypocrisy. You should probably learn that. Ha ha ha!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/09/atheists-humanists-suffer_n_2268681.html

Jason2 · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:20

DisrupTor75 said:
Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek"

Never looked for a fight in my life pal. I sometimes say stuff I probably shouldn't but eh I'm human.

estebanrey · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:21

Craterloads said:
It's not about reaching a consensus, its about simply co-existing, which quite frankly there is no scope within Athiesm.

I assume you mean on here rather than in the real world where clearly atheism co-exists pretty nicely in society (in fact it's mostly religion that states it's incompatible with secular culture). But on this forum, I don't see atheists constantly making threads laughing at theists or unprovoked attacks, rather people contributing to religion-specific threads giving their opinion.

But if you are somehow suggesting that religious views shouldn't be able to be challenged (or even ridiculed) whilst any other subject is fair game, as if religion should have some special protection then I have to disagree with you.

Zatoichi.uK · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:22

Jason2 said:
Read on and you will find that Jesus himself said that even many who profess him to be Lord will not be entering heaven. If a man is sincere in his repentance he can be forgiven due to the sacrifice of Jesus, but no where have I ever said simple belief in Jesus gets you to heaven.

God knows the heart of men. If someone goes out and commits a crime and says "well God will just forgive me", then he won't be heading to heaven. God aint no fool.

I'm not saying someone could potentially commit a crime with the thought of being forgiven at a later time. I'm saying a rapist, murderer etc. could commit a crime, then later find God and enter heaven, whilst someone who leads a good life but who's only 'crime' is non belief is committed to eternal torture.

And this is where people are expected to learn 'morals'.

inogen · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:23

Jason2 said:
Read on and you will find that Jesus himself said that even many who profess him to be Lord will not be entering heaven. If a man is sincere in his repentance he can be forgiven due to the sacrifice of Jesus, but no where have I ever said simple belief in Jesus gets you to heaven.

God knows the heart of men. If someone goes out and commits a crime and says "well God will just forgive me", then he won't be heading to heaven. God aint no fool.

LOAM · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:33

The last thing this place needs is more nuts

Craterloads · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:33

estebanrey said:
I assume you mean on here rather than in the real world where clearly atheism co-exists pretty nicely in society (in fact it's mostly religion that states it's incompatible with secular culture). But on this forum,

If you noticed thread is about "internet Athiesm" so pretty much you have your answer.

I don't see atheists constantly making threads laughing at theists or unprovoked attacks, rather people contributing to religion-specific threads giving their opinion.

Maybe if you remove your rose tinted glasses you would see. In fact second line of OP has covered that matter.

But if you are somehow suggesting that religious views shouldn't be able to be challenged (or even ridiculed) whilst any other subject is fair game, as if religion should have some special protection then I have to disagree with you

I dont think i stated that? did i. In fact i welcome discussion, but as proven by this thread and many others athiesm has no scope for discussion.

Inquizitor · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:38

Craterloads said:
In fact i welcome discussion, but as proven by this thread and many others athiesm has no scope for discussion.

There's loads of room for discussion. What would you like to discuss?

Raikiri · 29 Jan 2013 at 18:33

Jason2 said:
You only have to look at that bus campaign Dawkins participated in. Why would someone go to all that effort? Who really is after control here? It's the atheists.

This was in direct response to a christian campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Bus_Campaign) claiming that there definitely is a god.

Jason2 said:
This is way deeper than theology. This is men who hate God. Men who shake their fists into the face of God and in essence say, we will not submit to you, we will not follow you. These are the men heading straight to Hell.

No it isn't. You would have to believe in god to do that. Which they don't. It seems like you're missing the core concept here.

Jason2 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qK4be3wvOQ

The rapture and the rise of the anti-christ has to be the greatest thing that could ever be imagined in the minds of men.

I don't know, Iron Man was pretty good.

^TANK^ · 29 Jan 2013 at 19:00

Jason2 said:
What a load of old tosh! Perhaps you'd like to come and call me mentally ill to my face?

What are you going to do to him? Throw some holy water on his face.

gillywibble · 29 Jan 2013 at 19:03

Atheism as a term is a mistake.

Sam Harris explains it far better than I could.

elmarko · 29 Jan 2013 at 19:40

Jason2 said:
This is way deeper than theology. This is men who hate God. Men who shake their fists into the face of God and in essence say, we will not submit to you, we will not follow you. These are the men heading straight to Hell.

I think you will find people who don't believe in god, don't hate or think anything of god.

The concept of a "god" is just another unfounded magical entity that does not feature amongst the things I believe exist.

It's on the same scale as the tooth fairy & father christmas to atheists.

Jason2 · 29 Jan 2013 at 19:41

elmarko1234 said:
I think you will find people who don't believe in god, don't hate or think anything of god.

The concept of a "god" is just another unfounded magical entity that does not feature amongst the things I believe exist.

It's on the same scale as the tooth fairy & father christmas to atheists.

Why are atheists always talking about God then?

And for the love of God will you stop mentioning Santa Claus? He was a christian who followed God.

elmarko · 29 Jan 2013 at 19:43

Craterloads said:
Please do tell me where i have suggested this? Thats quite simply as i discussed before a perception felt by Athiests because of thier own personal short comings with what ever that may be.

It's not about reaching a consensus, its about simply co-existing, which quite frankly there is no scope within Athiesm.

All you will find atheists doing is attempting to remove the undeserved privilege status of religious institutions.

Almost all western atheists are secular, which actually protects religious freedom and freedom from religion.

elmarko · 29 Jan 2013 at 19:44

Jason2 said:
Why are atheists always talking about God then

And for the love of God will you stop mentioning Santa Claus? He was a christian who followed God.

- Troll, nobody is that stupid.

Curio · 29 Jan 2013 at 20:03

We really don't have a clue what it all means anyway......the whole god v science thing is more than likely a ridiculous simplification of things. Nobody knows what happened before "the big bang" (assuming that is where our current universe started) and that's a fact. Maybe it was "God" snapping his fingers, maybe there was an infinite number of bangs and we just happen to be in the one where things worked out, maybe a giant pink elephant sneezed and here we are. More than likely, it's something completely beyond our level of comprehension. Same applies to the afterlife.

It's great (and essential) that we discus it, but neither "side" has any right to be more confident than the other. I know some of you are going to try and pursued me otherwise...

Robosapien · 29 Jan 2013 at 20:24

Dictionary.com said:
be·lief
[bih-leef] Show IPA
noun
1.
something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3.
confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4.
a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

#2 is makes most sense as it's not just religious belief statements of opinion that get scrutinized and subsequently mocked on the internet if you don't have some decent factual evidence to back yourself up.

Unless you can check something first hand, or have some awareness, you always run the risk of being a susceptible sheep. But then how to prove the axioms as all existence could be an illusion?

Religion is absurd behaviour though. It staggers me how many people take part in it. Even walking down the street and seeing some structure like a church - it's actually been built for the purpose of religion. It's mad. People taking part in religious rituals is actually hilarious, it's like watching mental illness.
I think some people just take part in these traditions and don't actually truly believe the tosh though, even if they defend it avidly. Or they might have a different interpretation 'they don't believe literally/face value but interpret to mean what they like'. Both equally as dangerous considering all the damage religion has done, it's certainly not harmless activity and to remain detached and keep supporting brainwashing drivel is insanity.

Robosapien · 29 Jan 2013 at 20:27

4T5 said:
Imagine the out cry if a Christian/Catholic/Muslim posted from his AMD powered PC that he drove a Vauxhall with winter tyres on it. +

Ahahahaha.

Robosapien · 29 Jan 2013 at 20:31

iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity, an atheist isn't asserting that they know a deity doesn't exist (Well some might) but rather they haven't been convinced that a deity does exist, so atheism is simply a lack of belief.
The burden of proof lies with the person claiming a super-natural being exists, an atheist doesn't have any burden of proof (and doesn't require faith).

Is that not agnostism?

If an aethist simply doesn't believe, what would you call someone who definitely 100% believes in NO GOD

eek

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