iPhone 4 or android?

[Mr Krugga]

but you paid 2x the price? and no the phone does not have the highest quality screen..

best camera? no way.. best apps/games - sort of true.. but only because apple has been around for long and android which i guess you are comparing it too is a lot "younger" give it time and it will be similiar/better than iOS

and im not an iphone hater.. i do love the hardware quality and the stability of the OS but i guess im on the other end of the market and i love fiddling with my phone so much that an iphone or iOS is just too limited

each to their own i guess.. but you gotta agree iphones and other apple hardware is mostly bought by biased fanboys.. my step dad bough an iphone just because his mates said it was the "best" now the phone is in a wardrobe and gets used by my little brother once or twice a week

I totally agree, iPhones are great pieces of software but they are totally not wearing the crown of the smartphones any more.

Android is taking over because of its wide range of phones, all suited to everyone's needs., Apple will still be popular as it's a more developed OS with better range of apps and more user friendly interface (but that is changing rapidly in favour of Android!).

It's also very important to note that Apple comes up with ONE smartphone a year. There are dozens of high-end Android smartphones every year and unless Apple decides to change their strategy, enthusiasts will be totally swayed towards other smartphones for the foreseeable future.

Let's not forget about the old giant, Nokia, that will certainly try to take their piece of cake with the latest WP7 range. Microsoft is very interested in the mobile market and I'm sure they will invest a lot of money to make Apple's job harder.

Making out Apple products like they're the best in the world is what makes ridiculing retarded fanboys so much fun.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Don't be such a butthurt, vonhelmet, Linux users have been taking the **** out of Windows users and everyone is blatantly mocking Microsoft but caring so much about a brand is just as ridiculous as calling someone a fag for using specific hardware/software.

I like my iPhone. I bought it because I have a Mac because I got fed up with Windows, and then it was an obvious step to get an iPhone when looking for a smartphone because of the interoperability.

To conclude that someone is either gay or is some Apple loving obsessive because they dare to counter an idiotic claim that Apple users are all homos is retarded, whether you like it or not.

And butthurt is an adjective, not a noun. Dumbass is a noun.

 

[grudas]

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Its not Apple's fault your stepdad buys things without doing any prior research is it?

never said it was totally his fault

 

[Mr Krugga]

I like my iPhone. I bought it because I have a Mac because I got fed up with Windows, and then it was an obvious step to get an iPhone when looking for a smartphone because of the interoperability.

To conclude that someone is either gay or is some Apple loving obsessive because they dare to counter an idiotic claim that Apple users are all homos is retarded, whether you like it or not.

And butthurt is an adjective, not a noun. Dumbass is a noun.

So you like an iPhone, I'm not either happy nor sad for you. I don't have any feelings towards you because you own a phone. Or a computer. Did you overclock it? No? I'm not even jealous then. Do I think you're a fag for owning some hardware? Certainly not. Will you go on a Forum for overclockers and start praising your piece of hardware for being the best in the world? I hope not.

Butthurt may be either an adjective or a noun, it's not even a word in any serious dictionary.

Call me whatever you like, it's funny that you, of all people, are taking these things seriously. Or are you?

No hard feelings.

 

[Vonhelmet]

So you like an iPhone, I'm not either happy nor sad for you. I don't have any feelings towards you because you own a phone. Or a computer. Did you overclock it? No? I'm not even jealous then. Do I think you're a fag for owning some hardware? Certainly not. Will you go on a Forum for overclockers and start praising your piece of hardware for being the best in the world? I hope not.

Butthurt may be either an adjective or a noun, it's not even a word in any serious dictionary.

Call me whatever you like, it's funny that you, of all people, are taking these things seriously. Or are you?

No hard feelings.

I'm not taking it particularly seriously. I just get tired of the idiocy that goes hand in hand with discussing Apple products. LOLGAY. Morons.

 

[cu3ed]

TBH in a lot of chatter Droid users can be just as bad, if not getting a bit worse. And now Apple users will be heavily outnumbered.

 

[Rimsy]

The way I see it, having owned an iPhone 4 and five Android phones :

• The iPhone is essentially an app platform; ie the user interface is designed for easily launching apps, and the breadth and depth of the app store compliments this very well. Trade-off here is that you're held to a very strict usage pattern and varying that in any way is difficult.
  
• Android is much more akin to how a desktop computer works; you can install whatever the hell you want from wherever the hell you want and you get advanced control over very fine settings. Trade-off here is that it can sometimes be hard to find what you want, and can be too confusing for some users.

I really enjoyed my six months with the iPhone, and how slick and effective it was, but Android is taking leaps forward and it's getting better all the time, whereas the iPhone appears to be stagnating for the moment.

Basically it comes down to what you want out of a phone. If you just want a phone with apps, get an iPhone. If you want a portable computer, get an Android phone. There's nothing wrong with preferring one over the other

This.

 

[NuclearWinter]

best apps/games - sort of true.. but only because apple has been around for long and android which i guess you are comparing it too is a lot "younger" give it time and it will be similiar/better than iOS

How much time though? That's my question as a current iPhone user that doesn't have any particular brand name loyalty, and has used smart phones since before the iPhone existed.

I'm nearing the end of my contract and it's a genuine question for me. My phone isn't just a phone but also a multitude of different tools and an entertainment platform. I've come to realise over the years that by far the most important thing to me in a smart phone is the availability of quality applications and games. Customisation is nice, but not as important to me personally.

I think there are some great Android phones on the market and that it's matured into a very appealing OS, but every time I compare the app scenes I realise that it still has a long way to go - particularly for entertainment, but also for educational purposes (I'm learning Japanese and the iPhone store has an absolute wealth of apps geared towards learners in comparison to the Android Market) - despite the Android market place opening only a few months after the App Store.

I look forward to the day the Android Marketplace catches up to the App Store in quality (not quantity), because as a consumer I always welcome having options. Right now it seems I'd still have to give up too much by making the move to Android, even though I'd welcome a more flexible OS.

Having said all that, I'll still be considering Android when the time comes and will analyse all options when deciding which product is best for me. The fanboyism seen on all sides is rather baffling.

 

[Magic_x_uk]

O/T a bit

i was looking at alarms clocks and stereos in a shop the other day and apple seem to have cornered the market in that so many stereos have a dock for your ipod/iphone etc. on them.

do you think we will maybe get this for android devices?

 

[Rimsy]

O/T a bit

i was looking at alarms clocks and stereos in a shop the other day and apple seem to have cornered the market in that so many stereos have a dock for your ipod/iphone etc. on them.

do you think we will maybe get this for android devices?

no idea but I'm sure there must be a market for some kind of dock with universal a micro usb connecting system thingy...

 

[JeditOjanen]

2x the price? Only on a (very bad) contract.

16GB iPhone 4 = £499, 16GB Galaxy S II £495...

Yay, let's name list price for the Galaxy S II just to prove the heilPhone is better!

If you do pay list price for a Galaxy S II, you can get a 12-month contract with 3 at £10 a month, giving 300 minutes, 3000 texts and AYCED. The comparable contract for a PAYG iPhone is £15pcm and comes with only a 1GB data allowance.

Winner: Galaxy S II

Of course, most people will get their phone on some kind of contract. A 16GB iPhone 4 on Tesco's one year contract will cost you £642 - that's the lowest total contract cost you can get, and gives 250 minutes, unlimited text/wifi and 1GB data. By an odd coincidence, £642 is roughly the same as the total contract cost of a Galaxy S II over two years.

Winner: Galaxy S II

While we're at it, let's look at direct contract comparisons from some of the major networks.

O2 - £32/24mth

iPhone: 300 minutes, UL texts, 1GB data, £202.99 for handset.
Galaxy S2: as above, handset free.

Orange - £35/24mth

iPhone: 600 minutes, 3k texts, 750MB data, £119 for handset.
Galaxy S2: 700 minutes, UL texts, 750MB data, handset free.

T-Mobile - £30/24mth

iPhone: 300 minutes, 300 texts, 500MB data, £179 for handset.
Galaxy S2: 900 minutes, 500 texts, 500MB data, handset free.

I could go on, but I'd be wasting electrons so I'll summarise: at every single price point, through every single network, the Galaxy S2 is several hundred pounds cheaper than the iPhone 4 16GB. Factor in the cost of adding a 16GB microSD card against the £100 premium for the iPhone 32GB, and the cost differential on the more expensive models increases still further.

 

[pepp77]

I had a iphone and used it for work and personal emails - and whilst it was okay, since moving to a HTC based Android device I havent looked back. The email program is excellent and works flawlessly and to me is quicker than the iphone (was on a 3GS).

After using both I would definitely not go back from Android to iPhone in its current standings.

 

[Robbo]

Yay, let's name list price for the Galaxy S II just to prove the heilPhone is better!

If you do pay list price for a Galaxy S II, you can get a 12-month contract with 3 at £10 a month, giving 300 minutes, 3000 texts and AYCED. The comparable contract for a PAYG iPhone is £15pcm and comes with only a 1GB data allowance.

Winner: Galaxy S II

Of course, most people will get their phone on some kind of contract. A 16GB iPhone 4 on Tesco's one year contract will cost you £642 - that's the lowest total contract cost you can get, and gives 250 minutes, unlimited text/wifi and 1GB data. By an odd coincidence, £642 is roughly the same as the total contract cost of a Galaxy S II over two years.

Winner: Galaxy S II

While we're at it, let's look at direct contract comparisons from some of the major networks.

O2 - £32/24mth

iPhone: 300 minutes, UL texts, 1GB data, £202.99 for handset.
Galaxy S2: as above, handset free.

Orange - £35/24mth

iPhone: 600 minutes, 3k texts, 750MB data, £119 for handset.
Galaxy S2: 700 minutes, UL texts, 750MB data, handset free.

T-Mobile - £30/24mth

iPhone: 300 minutes, 300 texts, 500MB data, £179 for handset.
Galaxy S2: 900 minutes, 500 texts, 500MB data, handset free.

I could go on, but I'd be wasting electrons so I'll summarise: at every single price point, through every single network, the Galaxy S2 is several hundred pounds cheaper than the iPhone 4 16GB. Factor in the cost of adding a 16GB microSD card against the £100 premium for the iPhone 32GB, and the cost differential on the more expensive models increases still further.

Wow, that's quite a rant.

I was just pointing out that what Apple charge is actually fairly reasonable, the networks are responsible for the ridiculously priced contracts.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You're not going to get a straight answer. Try them both and see what you like. They're both very similar, but the trade off comes down to price (Android is cheaper) vs ecosystem (iOS has a much larger, better quality app library and it attracts more investment).

Simple.

 

[richjs]

Wow, that's quite a rant.

I was just pointing out that what Apple charge is actually fairly reasonable, the networks are responsible for the ridiculously priced contracts.

I thought Apple forced the networks to go that high (at least initially). If not surely they would be going cheaper on some of the internet sites like buymobilephones?

 

[osc89er]

Wow, that's quite a rant.

I was just pointing out that what Apple charge is actually fairly reasonable, the networks are responsible for the ridiculously priced contracts.

The street price reflects what Apple charge, not the RRP. Apple charges the retailers higher wholesale prices which prevents the discounting found on Android phones.

There's a reason Apple takes the most smartphone profit in the world.

 

[JeditOjanen]

I thought Apple forced the networks to go that high (at least initially). If not surely they would be going cheaper on some of the internet sites like buymobilephones?

This. It's generally believed that Apple charge the networks somewhere in the region of £370 for each iPhone handset, around £250 of which is their profit margin. The networks have no choice but to pass that cost onto the customer.

The margins on a phone like the S2, while still quite healthy, are a lot thinner than Apple's 200% markup on cost. This is why Galaxy S2 contracts are always so much cheaper - you're not paying "Apple tax".

 

[Hatter The Mad]

The margins on a phone like the S2, while still quite healthy, are a lot thinner than Apple's 200% markup on cost. This is why Galaxy S2 contracts are always so much cheaper - you're not paying "Apple tax".

You talk as if the value of a Galaxy S is equivalent to an iPhone 4, and that the only reason people pay more than this for an iPhone is because it says "Apple" on it. That's absurd.

They aren't equivalent: hardware isn't, the ecosystem around it isn't (iTunes and the app store) nor is the actual quality of the apps available. Smartphone platforms aren't sole commodities anymore.

 

[Robbo]

I thought Apple forced the networks to go that high (at least initially). If not surely they would be going cheaper on some of the internet sites like buymobilephones?

The street price reflects what Apple charge, not the RRP. Apple charges the retailers higher wholesale prices which prevents the discounting found on Android phones.

There's a reason Apple takes the most smartphone profit in the world.

This. It's generally believed that Apple charge the networks somewhere in the region of £370 for each iPhone handset, around £250 of which is their profit margin. The networks have no choice but to pass that cost onto the customer.

The margins on a phone like the S2, while still quite healthy, are a lot thinner than Apple's 200% markup on cost. This is why Galaxy S2 contracts are always so much cheaper - you're not paying "Apple tax".

I thought this would be the case too, but someone on here who works for Orange said otherwise if I remember correctly. Like I said though, if you want an iPhone and don't want to pay the big contract prices, you just buy it outright and get a cheap SIM only deal, they are reasonable enough.

Either way JeditOjanen, you talk as if I'm searching for reasons why the iPhone is better. I'm just giving honest (and what I believe to be accurate) opinions of all the phones from a relatively neutral perspective.

The fact you used the term "heilPhone" means there's probably not much point in trying to reason with you when it comes to anything to do with Apple, so I wont bother.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

It is funny how butthurt Android owners can get over the mere existence of the iPhone.