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weyland yutani said:
OT but Spunkey, were you in a GT3 race (SLS) at Spa in Assetto Corsa yesterday? I was having a decent race with someone by that name till some **** parked his Z4 on the blind crest of Eau Rouge, which I hit and Spunkey crashed into me :(
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Innocent your honour. I haven't got AC. Although if he's crashing in to you it sounds like we went to the same driving school :)
 
This was in the top split for the Cadillac, with mostly A and B licence drivers.

There are an awful lot of drivers, with A licences in the top splits, in the GT3 that are just as bad. They have no spacial awareness, no race craft, no manners and no idea how to overtake.

The last GT3 race I did the guy behind me was the number 2 car and had obviously gone off at some point to be behind me. He was catching me quickly and so I said. At the end of the straight go past me on the inside and I'll stay right and give you the corner. I ended up on the grass, so poor was his overtaking.
 
I was on-set for my first '1st' place this Sunday. Only to be taken out by a lapped car completely writing me off. Looking at the replay, it doesn't look intentional..but it was a stupid dive down my inside he was never going to make. Annoyingly he came out of it pretty unscathed. I was pushed straight out in to the barrier, where as he went in to the dirt of the opposite side.

Frustrating, but I guess it happens.
 
barmyllama said:
Bad week for me.

Did two 70 minute GT3 races at Road Atlanta. I threw it off the track after 25 laps in race one without any help from anyone else. Managed to finish the second race one lap down with a minor IR gain.

I also did two races in the Cadillac. Don't think I'll be doing any more, the racing standard is appalling. In the first race I managed to finish with a small
IR gain but SR loss after being hit from behind 3 times and having to pit for wheel damage without any contact. I assume it was some kind of latency issue.

I got disqualified from the second race for too many incidents after being hit from behind 4 times, the 4th of which was a deliberate ram. Filed a protest for that one. Over all this week I think I've lost over 100 IR and SR from 3.2 down to 2.0.

Roll on Sebring.
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I do one GT3 race a week for the $7 participation credits. Started from the pits and ended up 9th just keeping out of trouble. I am not fast either, 2 seconds slower but 75 mins of attrition = places if being careful.
 
I had a weird thing happen in my second GT3 race.

A driver in front on me blew his engine, he was on the racing line but pulled over straight away so he didn't block me at all. But I ended up just randomly spinning off. It was as if I spun on the oil his engine dropped as it blew. Now I'm pretty sure the game doesn't simulate that. There was no contact and I wasn't any input from that was any different to any previous laps.
 
The standard of driving in this game just gets worse.

My SR has dropped from 3.5 to less than 1.5 in the space of half a dozen races. Every single incident has been contact from behind apart from 2 or 3 for track limits.

I'm sick to death of drivers using me to slow down.

All these drivers have been in the top split as well.
 
barmyllama said:
The standard of driving in this game just gets worse.

My SR has dropped from 3.5 to less than 1.5 in the space of half a dozen races. Every single incident has been contact from behind apart from 2 or 3 for track limits.

I'm sick to death of drivers using me to slow down.

All these drivers have been in the top split as well.
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Which series?

When I first got my B licence, I did a handful of GT3 races and my SR dropped dramatically for similar reasons until I eventually went back down to a C licence.

Now that I'm back at B, I've been staying well clear of GT3 and things are much better. I had my first GT3 race in a long time earlier tonight, ended up in the pits after a few laps with damage (caused by somebody else) and decided to quit, cut my losses.

I don't know what the answer is, but GT3 just seems to be a shambles.
 
I have to say, the standard of driving in GT3 is terrible, I guess that comes with the popularity.

Honestly I have the best races in the RUF cup, WSCS has been very good lately too, I think a lot of people in the HPD's have been racing in the recent endurance events and their patience has improved.

Something needs to change with proportion in blame for incidents to dissuade people from making stupid moves that they'd never make on a real track.
 
GT3 and Cadillac.

Both GT3 races tonight I was hit from behind. In the first race I got hit twice, once on lap one and again on lap nine.

In the Cadillac race I did on Sunday night I got hit 4 times from behind, the final time it was deliberate and got me disqualified.

But even in practice sessions the standards are awful. I was in a Skippy practice session tonight at Road America. Nine drivers and a two and a half minute lap and people still exit the pits straight in front of you. One guy did it and I managed to stay ahead only for him to slipstream down the middle straight and then chop across the front of my nose and wrecked both of us.

GT3 practice at Road Atlanta last week. The same thing happened 4 laps on the run, so I gave the last guy who cut me up some abuse over the mic and he just ran me off the track.

Practice at Sebring tonight was he same.

How can A and B licence drivers not know about F3?

Add all that to results that take ages to appear and a game that loads and quits slower from a Samsung 840 Evo SSD than games from 1998 on a 5400 RPM IDE HDD.
 
The GT3 cars are quick and yet you can easily get a B licence having only ever raced in significantly slower cars. I wonder how much experience there is in the lower GT3 splits and how many people are used to racing at GT3 speeds on such busy grids.

The Ruf Cup seems to be a good balance, the cars being a good step up from the slower series. Whilst it's not an easy car to drive well, it's got very good feel and things happen at sensible speeds.

I'm also enjoying racing the Mustang in the mixed class series. I'm a good second or two off the pace of the better drivers, but it's a fun car to drive and generally the series is well attended by people who have good race sense.

Maybe I'll just stay away from GT3 and enjoy the good racing that can be had in the other series.
 
I really think all mixed class races (with fast cars like GT2/HPD) and GT3 should be A class licence before you can race them. As you say, it's very easy to again at licence, I did so very fast after gaining my C, in the same week. So from MX5 to GT3 in a week, something is bound to go wrong.

Perhaps a different time of day would help too? I often find myself racing during the day, or early on weekends and I find the drivers to be better.
 
Nearly all my GT3 races are in the top split now and most drivers are A licence.

There needs to be a stronger deterrent for rear ending the guy in front. Rather than the current situation of 50/50 blame. More often than not the idiot that hits you from behind comes out it in better shaped and losing less time/positions than you do.
 
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barmyllama said:
Nearly all my GT3 races are in the top split now and most drivers are A licence.

There needs to be a stronger deterrent for rear ending the guy in front. Rather than the current situation of 50/50 blame. More often than not the idiot that hits you from behind comes out it in better shaped and losing less time/positions than you do.
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Agreed, it's a mess. No idea what the solution is though.
 
It'd be great if the software could assign liability better, but I just can't see it happening, if you show a clip of an incident to 10 people you'd get at least 4 different answers on liability, which one is right :p
 
I do think if they could have front & rear collision proportioned to the car behind all the time it would have a far better average for getting it right and we would start to see people adjust their driving accordingly.
 
What about if someone spins in front of you, does a full 360 and you hit them because they're far slower after the spin and there's nowhere to go? You get a 4x.

Or a car is rejoining the track and just pulls in front of you.

What about if you're in the middle of three cars, so car behind hits you, fine he gets a 4x, but now because of that you hit the car ahead, do you get a 4x for that?

And of course, 'strategic brake testing'...

The idea of altering the 'no-blame' system has been bandied around over the years, and maybe there is a solution or set of rules that would cover everything but I've not seen anyone come close yet, personally I'm far more willing to accept the 4x from a no-blame system than when the system decides the blame 'incorrectly' and I get the 4x from that.

I'm also of the opinion that almost all incidents can be avoided, and that over time the no-blame system works, a single 4x isn't an issue, especially with how easy it is to get/maintain an A-class licence, and if you're getting 4x's constantly then ultimately you should look at your actions, imo
 
The guy who hit me that I linked to above should have known from experience that the move he made would end in contact.

The incident happened in turn 2 of the first lap. Watching the replay from his onboard shows from the exit of turn one on the run down to turn two there is a gap on the inside. But by the time he is going to arrive at the corner me and everyone else in front of him are already turning in. So when he arrives the gap has gone. Just a standard dive bomb up the inside. From how far back he was and with his experience he has he shouldn't be making those moves on lap one. Especially when I qualified and start 12th as car number 25 and he didn't qualify and started 15th as car number 2.

I actually think that forcing qualifying would help an awful lot. The fastest guys start at the front and so you get rid of some of the difference in skill from the start. I mean in some races I have guys in front who are two seconds faster then me and guys behind who are two seconds slower than me. If you mix this speed difference up at the start then it's always going to end badly.
 
Skill, most of that would be fine, for the first point, people would actually have to heed yellow flags, right now they're mostly ignored (unless it's a series that puts up a caution) for the most part then if you hit someone during a yellow it would be your fault. Unsafe pit lane exit would be an easy protest but honestly, it's another thing I see people do, chopping the end of pit lane as part of their racing line. SPA & RA are good examples of this. Charlotte road is the only real example I can think of where they might exit unsafe. I would have the spotter call a car on pit road too.
If you're in a pack then that's the risk you take in my opinion.

I'm not saying an adjustment is definitely the way to go, I'm sure to a degree it currently weeds out the consistently bad drivers but I do feel a slight change would make the better drivers, who know there is no real risk of coming off worse, stop pulling stupid moves. HPD's in multi class racing / GT3 series.

I also agree with forced qualifying.
 
I don't mind the x4 irrespective of blame. It's fact that my race is ruined through no fault of mine. Now once in a while is to be expected, but this 6 out of my last 7 races ruined by poor driving or deliberate ramming.

I take the time and effort to practice and qualify before I race so I don't see why drivers who don't can spoil my enjoyment.

Two weeks ago my qualifying time earned my a start in the first two rows and that's more or less where I finished. Now my time earns me mid grid and I get wiped out nearly every time. Usually from faster drivers who don't qualify.
 
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