Iran why...

Bassmansam said:
I’m confused, a youtuber i follow has been to all these ‘dodgy’ places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Syria ect.

He’s been pulled over by the Taliban for a chat, they even took a selfie with him. What makes Iran more dangerous than these other places?
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Some of these places are almost or just as dangerous, some YouTubers like B&B have developed contacts over the years who can smooth their visits to some of these places though it is still not risk free.
 
Tykey said:
My comment is xenophobic? I'm just commenting on observations I've made and feelings I have. 1 of my best friends is of Indian origin, his parents emigrated from India, 1 of the locals who I always talk to when we see each other round here is black, he's lived here for about 20 years. Within the last 10 years or so there has been a big increase in different ethnicities moving round here, the community has changed.

I'm the type of person who says hello etc to the locals, none of these new comers are reciprocal to that. They stick together and don't mix or acknowledge anyone outside of their vicinity where they live i.e. there's a small block of flats round here now almost all ethnics, they all have hoods up during the day never acknowledge me when I walk past with my dog while they're messing with their cars outside etc.10 years ago I would be chatting to a lad called Chris there. I've tried to say hello they look right through me as though I'm invisible.
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You have to admit, saying you don't like travelling throughout Birmingham or Luton because of the ethnicity of the local population. Followed by it's okay some of my best friends are black - doesn't sound the best.
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One of their last posts. Say no more.
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Back on topic. I can certainly see how they lulled themselves into a false sense of security with this. On the whole their experience of people being good and kind is pretty real, travelling around the world this is most peoples experience. There is a really good book about this called Humankind: A hopefully history by Rutger Bregman. Unfortunately travelling across rural Iran by bike was a gigantic misjudgements of how far that stretches.
 
p1RATE said:
You have to admit, saying you don't like travelling throughout Birmingham or Luton because of the ethnicity of the local population. Followed by it's okay some of my best friends are black - doesn't sound the best.

Back on topic. I can certainly see how they lulled themselves into a false sense of security with this. On the whole their experience of people being good and kind is pretty real, travelling around the world this is most peoples experience. There is a really good book about this called Humankind: A hopefully history by Rutger Bregman. Unfortunately travelling across rural Iran by bike was a gigantic misjudgements of how far that stretches.
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I didn't say that, I said I feel out of place in those area's, which I do. Women dressed head to toe in black cloaks with only their eyes showing, no other white people in the mix, no shops catering for the tastes of native Brits, etc etc, yeh I do feel out of place in those area's. It's also on topic I think because I was drawing similarities to how I and possibly others would feel out of place in Iran. I didn't say I had a black best friend, he's British of Indian origin. I regularly talk to a very chill decent black guy around here who has integrated well into a British way of life, he's a great neighbour.

Edit- if you're trying to infer I'm racist by stating it 'doesn't sound the best' then I absolutely refute that. I don't care what colour someone's skin is, it's just a colour after all. My actual best friend who I've known for 40 years who I'd take a bullet for is brown skinned and not through a tan his dad (RIP) was from the med (iirc Cyprus or Greece), also had a great friend from morocco but we lost touch, had some of the best times of my life with him. What I do think is important is integrating into a way of life we native Brits live so segregation and racial tension is minimized, and what I consider are unsavoury 'values' like repressing women, repressing free speech, and punishing sexuality do not become normal in the UK.
 
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Emlyn_Dewar said:
Repressing free speech is already the norm in the UK.
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It's not, not really, the police got a bit carried away with non crime hate crimes for a while and got a slap from Ms Cooper. NHS Fife seem to have an obsession with male doctors sharing female spaces, and trying to limit free speech, hopefully they too get a slap under the equality act 2010. Compared to medievalist Iran we are not too bad, 8/10.
 
The UK doesn't have freedom of speech without consequence.

That's why we don't get religious nuts protesting funerals for example.

Move to America if you want that.
 
So there are many more consequences constantly fast-tracked in, meaning the speech that used to be allowed, is not. Light words that causes some feeble minded idiot anxiety, should not be worthy of police investigation. Seems like the UK is trying to move to a Chinese system tbh.
 
OK, still a bastion of free speech. Nothing has changed at all in the way things are investigated.
I'm happy to think different, and happier not be there right now.
 
Technology is what has changed.

Trying to prove a hate crime in the 80's/90's/2000's was a lot more difficult than now

Almost everyone can record evidence using their phone, almost everyone has social media which as far as the law is concerned, is the same as saying something out loud.

Nobody is being arrested for their WhatsApp chat (unless somebody doesn't like what is said in the chat, and reports it)
 
Seems UK's free-speech rules are pretty similar to the ones I see here. If consequences for opinions can be life ruining, it doesn't seem very free.
I guess we are de-railing this thread somewhat, and we definitely will never agree on things. That's OK though.

I respect your opinions, but still hold my own.
 
To be back on topic. How do you fix this problem? We need people to realise that the world isn't nice in some places.
There are many countries I'd never dream of visiting, and Iran is certainly one of them. It's great to be naive, but it'll be less great when you're dead.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
We need people to realise that the world isn't nice in some places.
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You cannot help peoples own ability to be stupid or naïve, its part of being a human.

Emlyn_Dewar said:
It's great to be naive, but it'll be less great when you're dead.
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Sounds like a them problem, than an us problem.

Emlyn_Dewar said:
There are many countries I'd never dream of visiting, and Iran is certainly one of them.
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What other countries on that list, am happy to help!
Iran
Iraq
Syria
China
India
 
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