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Is ASIC quality reliable ?

weehamish said:
In theory does mean the same thing.

Im guessing higher % score will be a better overclocker.

In theory higher % should be a better overclocker.

Theories are guesstimates its not proven so its a guess good day stalkers.
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No. Theories have logic behind them. Guessing is different.
 
weehamish said:
No i said the Asic quality rating is a guess if the card will be a good OCer or not, obv it thinks higher % will be better then lower, if your both so smart you would have known what i ment.

Its still funny how everything i post you 2 come along and try look clever :\

Rusty has came to like 6 threads just to quote me, please mate do us both a favor and keep your opinions to yourself.

Higher Asic score does not mean better at overclocking.

In theory does mean the same thing.

Im guessing higher % score will be a better overclocker.

In theory higher % should be a better overclocker.

Theories are guesstimates its not proven so its a guess good day stalkers.
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People keep calling you out for talking rubbish, you refuse to look at it that way and instead whinge that you're being stalked across the forum.

You aren't, you're just posting crap in threads on a regular basis.

According to your logic earlier, Afterburner/GPU-Z, et al temp readouts are also a guess too because;

It only goes off readings and gives a score, thats guessing mate :\ it can not tell you if its a good OCer or not.
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Which is exactly how the temp and other readings work.

You need to start thinking before posting because you keep posting crap.
 
Well I'm talking about the difference between theories and guesses in relation to ASIC and overclocking on graphics cards which is, you know, what this sub forum is about.

No idea what you're on about, sorry.
 
spoffle said:
People keep calling you out for talking rubbish, you refuse to look at it that way and instead whinge that you're being stalked across the forum.

You aren't, you're just posting crap in threads on a regular basis.

According to your logic earlier, Afterburner/GPU-Z, et al temp readouts are also a guess too because;



Which is exactly how the temp and other readings work.

You need to start thinking before posting because you keep posting crap.
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No your not understand what i said, it gets readings and then gives a score right?

The score is supposed to say if its a good OCer or not thats what i said.

I actually explained it to you above but you obv dodged it.
 
weehamish said:
Have you heard of an educated guess?

What a ***
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Your post isn't in anyway showing it as an educated guess though and even then, an educated guess would have some logic to it. You provided no logic or basis for the software to be "Guessing" as you put it.

This guy sums up the theory of Asic quality well.

"It represents the arbitrary number Nvidia or ATI assign a die based on its
location and performance figure they are trying to target. Just like it was said
before a lower number should have higher leakage, but may also mean a closer to
the edge die cut. If everything else were equal a number such as 85% should
yield a balance between leakage so you can throw more voltage at it and non
faulty transistors from die defects."


"The asic level referes to the electrical leakage level. Higher leakage, uses more current, lots more. Low leakage less voltage for the current clock speed. A high asic card would use less voltage to run at the stock clocks. On air you want the highest asic card you can get. On water you want something around 74%. 60% and under is for liquid nitrogen."

Referring to a low ASIC number likle 50%

"It looks to me like all this means is that your card may have one or more (or perhaps all) of the following characteristics:
•Higher default voltage
•Higher power consumption
•Lower chances of overclocking using the stock cooling or some air cooler
•Higher chance of overclocking using water, dry ice, LN2, phase change, etc (this may mean that your best bet for overclocking would be to use water cooling or better)
In other words, if you're not interested in tweaking it or overclocking it, then having a low ASIC quality may mean absolutely nothing.
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A good description IMO.
 
what was the topic again?

oh yeah

i have 89% and have a max ceiling of 1125mhz on my 7950, regardless of volts. 1100mv verified by 99 runs of crysis 1 bench, because literally no other benchmark tool is as harsh as the cryengine variants for some reason! i guess it's average/a little below, so asic didn't do much for me :p
 
weehamish said:
Still missing the point :\

A high score doesnt mean its a good overclocker, there thats more simple.
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No one is missing the point, you don't understand the subject.

As I've said, we know what ASIC means, what's up for debate is how meaningful the data itself is.

The info on the higher the number, the less volts it needs to run at a certain clockspeed. Less leakage means less vdroop, which means that the voltage you get going through the chip is much closer to the voltage you've set.

Lower ASIC, in theory, means more leakage, which means more voltage dropping, which means you get less effective voltage going through the chip compared to what you've set.

Which is why Lower ASIC is supposed to perform well under watercooling or higher, to take the increased temps due to needing a higher voltage out of the equation.

The actual meaning is the relationship between voltage drops and temperature, which do directly relate to overclockability, but doesn't preclude your chip from being a stinker of a clocker.
 
weehamish said:
Still missing the point :\

A high score doesnt mean its a good overclocker, there thats more simple.
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Nobody is saying it is lol. Stop bickering with yourself.

The issue multiple people have with what you've said is that you said that the ASIC quality is just a guess when in fact it roughly conforms to what's in Gregster's quote.
 
But no one is even asking about that :\

They are asking is a higher score gonna give a better OC.

Nothing about voltages or watercooling or anything.

And as shown above the score means nothing really.
 
weehamish said:
But no one is even asking about that :\

They are asking is a higher score gonna give a better OC.

Nothing about voltages or watercooling or anything.

And as shown above the score means nothing really.
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No they're not, they're asking if ASIC has a relation to overclockability, which it does.
 
weehamish said:
I do understand but it doesnt change the fact it means F A if its not correct.

Its not hard to understand better score should be better to OC but its not so its pretty pointless isnt it?
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No you don't understand. You are associating the percentage to mean "good", as in the higher the percentage the "gooder" it'll be.

That's not how it's supposed to be interpreted.
Menty said:
My asic score is low (imo) but my card overclocks soundly so the asic relationship to overclockability means diddly for me.
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It has a relationship, what you've suggested isn't the relationship.

The relationship percentage is supposed to indicate how well it will clock depending on the situation.

Ie, how it's cooled.
 
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