Is being a chav genetic or social?

I think it is a bit of both but mostly social. I do believe many people can be reformed given some help.

Some do look genetically inferior though like they haven't evolved, me and my friends call them dinosaurs.
 
Screenbeat said:
Wow! I never expected to get so many responses to this thread!!

And by the way I never meant to cause offence when I said jobless! There is jobless and then there is career jobless!
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It's because we can all air our nazistic social engineering laundry under cover of reasonable debate. :p

That and the now ambiguous name of chav which is now a catch-all term for anything and everything it seems.
 
environment go and look what its like where these people grew up, usually really run down looking areas with poor schools, troubled families etc.

if a normal regular nice family lived in such an area their kids would also end up troubled as well from hanging out with the locals.

the kids don't really have much of a chance, some families living in such areas do wish they could get out to somewhere nice obviously, but they are poor and its not really an option.

then you get the benefit families who never worked a day in their lives, completely happy with how they are and where they live.

thankfully some of these "chavs" will go to college and will find better influences on their lives.



the parents failed these kids basically but not always from fault of their own but circumstances they have little control over.

its a hard cycle to break
 
Dis86 said:
How do you explain wallet Barry's? I've just moved from an area where average income is quite high, particularly for the north east. Most houses comfortably had over £100k of cars sat on their driveway for example (always white range rovers, mercs and audis). However the people were just out and out chavs. Every woman looked like a Geordie Shore reject and the blokes were all fat towie extras. A lot of them smashed every weekend, some weekdays too, loud, complete lack of consideration for anyone else, etc.
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Wallet Barrys, thats a new one for me haha
 
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yes, I made an unintentionally funny typo of pier instead of peer, but you're too late as stockhausen got to it in post #25
 
My uncle, lost his wife and brought up his daughter, absolutely devoted. Lives in one of the largest cities in the UK.

Niece got to age where she rebelled and fell in with the wrong crowd. Now at a young age has 2 kids, is a drug addict, living with a low rent gangster boyfriend and no money. Soul destroying.

Uncle is a proud man and cut all ties; disowned. Agree with @arknor
 
That's a sad read @Ninco!
While hard, lightly the sensible option for his own health.

I think it's mostly down to how easy life is. Little consequence for anything these days. And a lot of return for very little. Plenty of jobs pay employees for doing so little.
Overall investment i'd like to think would change things. Better education, social care, and more prisons.
 
BongoHunter said:
It's how your raised
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I'm going to counter that in that, have you ever noticed how 'Chavs' always look very similar. I don't mean by their choice of clothing or even in the way they articulate speech. It's weird, when you look at perhaps the less fortunate members of society, the people who perhaps we think of when fighting on the street, or people who are very low skilled workers and those who do other actions that society as a whole deems a bit crass, they all appear to have a similar genetic appearance. Strip away the clothing and association with 'chavyness' and you can almost always spot someone who is like that. It's hard to explain but I think there is more to it than just environment. I do think there is an element of gene pool involved.
 
tom01 said:
I'm going to counter that in that, have you ever noticed how 'Chavs' always look very similar. I don't mean by their choice of clothing or even in the way they articulate speech. It's weird, when you look at perhaps the less fortunate members of society, the people who perhaps we think of when fighting on the street, or people who are very low skilled workers and those who do other actions that society as a whole deems a bit crass, they all appear to have a similar genetic appearance. Strip away the clothing and association with 'chavyness' and you can almost always spot someone who is like that. It's hard to explain but I think there is more to it than just environment. I do think there is an element of gene pool involved.
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People at Cheltenham look very similar too. I think it's just group mentality, fitting in and emulating those closest to you. It's an easy option to take in life to just copy those around you.
 
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tom01 said:
I'm going to counter that in that, have you ever noticed how 'Chavs' always look very similar. I don't mean by their choice of clothing or even in the way they articulate speech. It's weird, when you look at perhaps the less fortunate members of society, the people who perhaps we think of when fighting on the street, or people who are very low skilled workers and those who do other actions that society as a whole deems a bit crass, they all appear to have a similar genetic appearance. Strip away the clothing and association with 'chavyness' and you can almost always spot someone who is like that. It's hard to explain but I think there is more to it than just environment. I do think there is an element of gene pool involved.
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Fetal alcohol syndrome. Look it up.
 
Ninco! said:
My uncle, lost his wife and brought up his daughter, absolutely devoted. Lives in one of the largest cities in the UK.

Niece got to age where she rebelled and fell in with the wrong crowd. Now at a young age has 2 kids, is a drug addict, living with a low rent gangster boyfriend and no money. Soul destroying.

Uncle is a proud man and cut all ties; disowned. Agree with @arknor
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Thanks for your post Ninco!
 
Ninco! said:
My uncle, lost his wife and brought up his daughter, absolutely devoted. Lives in one of the largest cities in the UK.

Niece got to age where she rebelled and fell in with the wrong crowd. Now at a young age has 2 kids, is a drug addict, living with a low rent gangster boyfriend and no money. Soul destroying.

Uncle is a proud man and cut all ties; disowned. Agree with @arknor
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Sadly can be many sides to that story - I know of cases like that where the single parent can be over the top protective and ultimately too controlling, etc. of their kid and they can never be themselves while living with the parent and it often results unfortunately in a knee jerk reaction the other way with them often ending up with a bad crowd or making bad decisions.
 
Thanks for the kind words.

Rroff said:
Sadly can be many sides to that story - I know of cases like that where the single parent can be over the top protective and ultimately too controlling, etc. of their kid and they can never be themselves while living with the parent and it often results unfortunately in a knee jerk reaction the other way with them often ending up with a bad crowd or making bad decisions.
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Absolutely Rroff, as you astutely point out there are two sides. Uncle is old school, fairly strict. It got to a time; discipline backfires and rebellion kicks in. Happened with my parents, I rebelled, bombed at school. Sitting in a pub at 18 whilst friends had gone to Uni, gave time to think. Still took me 2 years of pub procrastination (age 20) until I declared I am going to get a job. :D;)

Seriously, realisation dawned to get my act together rather than dossing through life.

We are in touch with said Niece/Uncle, its going to take time. Also Niece will need support, pointless financially as it gets blown. Not until she gets an epiphany moment to break the cycle, you cant intervene.

Going back to the OP - I do believe its the whole environment, upbringing & social circles play a massive part on one's outlook, idols, appearance etc.
 
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