Is it time to upgrade or is my pc still very decent

[Tetras]

RX 6650 XT 73%

200ish is fine.

I should also mention that with a 6650 XT, 7600 or 4060 you'd be dumping 4GB of VRAM and I'm not sure you'd want to do that?

RTX 2080 77% / Super 86% or is this too old and not worth considering ?

Yeah, I consider them too old and I don't really keep track of used prices.

Radeon RX 7600 XT 81%

16GB VRAM is nice, but 6750 XT is superior and costs the same (or less). It does lose 4GB of VRAM, but I think that's worth it because it is significantly faster.

GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 91%

Performance is alright, but they're also 8GB.

Radeon RX 6700 XT 97%

Pretty much gone from the market, but they're very similar to the 6750 XT (though with better power consumption).

GeForce RTX 3070 123%
GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 139%

Performance is fine, but VRAM issues.

Radeon RX 6800 XT 179%

I haven't seen one for sale for ages.

GeForce RTX 3080 190%

Still great cards, but unlikely to be cheap, even used.

Do any of your apps need or greatly benefit from nvidia?

 

[2013]

Do any of your apps need or greatly benefit from nvidia?

Not as far as I know, I'm using a old NVidia at the moment which i doubt they could benefit from, and I was using a AMD before. I switch back and forth depending on the best value.

 

[Tetras]

Not as far as I know, I'm using a old NVidia at the moment which i doubt they could benefit from, and I was using a AMD before. I switch back and forth depending on the best value.

Cool. Well, for £300 I think the best value would have been the 7700 XT which you could get for £300 awhile back. I'm reasonably sure that deal will come up again before Christmas (like on black friday). The RX 6800 performs similar, but that's around £350 right now.

If you had to buy right at this moment, I'd go for a 6750 XT.

Nvidia options are not great for £300. The 4060 Ti is barely any better than the 3060 Ti and even worse: it is more compromised by PCIE 3.0 than the 3060 Ti is. The 4060 Ti 16GB is usually overpriced for the performance on offer, similar to the 7600 XT 16GB.

The 3060 12GB is still a strong card for creators too, but it is slower and uses more power than the 4060. It is more of a 1080p card at this point, though it can handle 1440p fine in many games.

For used prices I'm not the best person to ask, so this based on buying new ^^

 

[jms198]

@2013 what chipset is your motherboard? If it is a 370, it only does pcie 3 and would I have a look into whether it will be a problem wit the new pcie 4 x8 budget cards. Ie the 6650, 4060 and the 7600.

 

[mickyflinn]

6750xt for £290 is a good deal for the performance..

 

[2013]

@2013 what chipset is your motherboard? If it is a 370, it only does pcie 3 and would I have a look into whether it will be a problem wit the new pcie 4 x8 budget cards. Ie the 6650, 4060 and the 7600.

Yes a 370x this is the board i have https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vi-hero-wi-fi-ac-model/helpdesk_cpu/
Would I have an issue with newer GPUs ?

6750xt for £290 is a good deal for the performance..

is that the retail or used price ?

 

[Tetras]

So long as the card has at least 8 lanes, then I wouldn't change a buying decision based on it:

AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT PCI-Express Scaling

When the Radeon RX 6600 XT launched with an interface limited to PCI-Express 4.0 x8, lots of discussion emerged about how AMD crippled the bandwidth, and how much it affects the gaming experience. In this article, we're taking a close look at exactly that, comparing 22 titles running at PCIe...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[mickyflinn]

is that the retail or used price ?

New retail.

XFX AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT Speedster QICK 319​

 

[jms198]

Yes a 370x this is the board i have https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vi-hero-wi-fi-ac-model/helpdesk_cpu/
Would I have an issue with newer GPUs ?

There is a trend for the budget cards to have 128bit bus and run at x8 over pcie 4. By running in pcie you only have 1/2 the bandwidth. There is a variable loss in performance which is game dependent. I was put off as I have b450 and went last gen so it wouldn't be a problem.

Frustratingly the b550 and above do pcie 4. All the other chipsets 'can' do it but is was locked out by AMD.

 

[2013]

So long as the card has at least 8 lanes, then I wouldn't change a buying decision based on it:

AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT PCI-Express Scaling

When the Radeon RX 6600 XT launched with an interface limited to PCI-Express 4.0 x8, lots of discussion emerged about how AMD crippled the bandwidth, and how much it affects the gaming experience. In this article, we're taking a close look at exactly that, comparing 22 titles running at PCIe...

www.techpowerup.com

There is a trend for the budget cards to have 128bit bus and run at x8 over pcie 4. By running in pcie you only have 1/2 the bandwidth. There is a variable loss in performance which is game dependent. I was put off as I have b450 and went last gen so it wouldn't be a problem.

Frustratingly the b550 and above do pcie 4. All the other chipsets 'can' do it but is was locked out by AMD.

Sorry for the delay in replying, i've been working long hours till late for the past week.

I'm still a little confused, how do I check which Graphic cards my board will support ?
Im think something around the 7600 6700 6750xt which would give me a good jump in GPU performance without spending too much. would i be bottle necked by the board.

Would I benefit from upgrading to 32gb 3600 Ram ?

at which point should I consider switch to the newer AM5 Platform ? not much upgradeability left with my AM4 considering I have a 5800x ? Im thinking 1-2 years may be the best
I would want to upgrade before the AM4still has value to sell so I can use the fund to upgrade.

I'm considering the life span of the the sockets, AM4 release 2017 and AM5 released 2022 so about 5 years.

 

[Nathlm]

If you search deals you can find 7700xt for around £300, which is decent, but I think it's worth spending a bit extra to get the 7800xt

 

[2013]

If you search deals you can find 7700xt for around £300, which is decent, but I think it's worth spending a bit extra to get the 7800xt

thanks let see what I comes my way.

as for the ram The furthest I was able to push the RAM usage to was 15.6gb. that's running a game Hogwarts legacy, CorelDRAW, YouTube video download and convert, running browser with multiple tabs inc a few YouTube, plus IE, software updater and playing a movie.

any other way to push ram usage to the limit, Should try something else ? do i need more ram ?

 

[Tetras]

I'm still a little confused, how do I check which Graphic cards my board will support ?

It is a modern motherboard so you shouldn't have any trouble with anything you might buy, but ideally get a card with 16 lanes, which will minimise any performance loss from PCI-E 3.0.

would i be bottle necked by the board.

The only cards that suffer a lot are the 6400 and 6500 XT, because they have just 4 lanes. 8 lane cards do lose some performance, but for the most: not much (a few %).

Im think something around the 7600 6700 6750xt which would give me a good jump in GPU performance without spending too much. would i be bottle necked by the board.

The 6700 XT / 6750 XT is a good card for the price (around £300), though the 7700 XT at the deal price of around the same would make me happier because it is a bump in performance and has the AI cores that RDNA 2 lacks (AMD have been making noises about using AI in future tech like FSR, so RDNA 2 might be the cut-off point for driver support in the near future). Note that RDNA 3 has AV1 encoding too, if you use AV1 at all (RDNA 2 is decode only).

The RX 7600 8GB isn't something I'd want to buy anymore, since the 6750 XT (or 7700 XT) gives you more headroom with the 4GB extra VRAM and higher performance.

as for the ram The furthest I was able to push the RAM usage to was 15.6gb. that's running a game Hogwarts legacy, CorelDRAW, YouTube video download and convert, running browser with multiple tabs inc a few YouTube, plus IE, software updater and playing a movie.

any other way to push ram usage to the limit, Should try something else ? do i need more ram ?

If that's typical of something you will do in reality then yes, you need more RAM, because you'll be pushing it out to the page file.

at which point should I consider switch to the newer AM5 Platform ? not much upgradeability left with my AM4 considering I have a 5800x ? Im thinking 1-2 years may be the best
I would want to upgrade before the AM4still has value to sell so I can use the fund to upgrade.

I'm considering the life span of the the sockets, AM4 release 2017 and AM5 released 2022 so about 5 years.

What you have is fine with a 6750 XT / 7700 XT and I'd say up to a 7900 GRE or 4070 Super. Beyond that, you'll want an upgrade, though it depends on the game/settings and the resolution.

The 5700X3D is competitive even with very recent CPUs, so AM4 is definitely not dead yet:

 

[2013]

Thank you very much.

It is a modern motherboard so you shouldn't have any trouble with anything you might buy, but ideally get a card with 16 lanes, which will minimise any performance loss from PCI-E 3.0.

Thanks, that clear up things a bit for me.

The only cards that suffer a lot are the 6400 and 6500 XT, because they have just 4 lanes. 8 lane cards do lose some performance, but for the most: not much (a few %).

I dont think its worth switching to something like the 6400 or 6500xt, so it unlikely I would get something like them for this PC.

The 6700 XT / 6750 XT is a good card for the price (around £300), though the 7700 XT at the deal price of around the same would make me happier because it is a bump in performance and has the AI cores that RDNA 2 lacks (AMD have been making noises about using AI in future tech like FSR, so RDNA 2 might be the cut-off point for driver support in the near future). Note that RDNA 3 has AV1 encoding too, if you use AV1 at all (RDNA 2 is decode only).

The RX 7600 8GB isn't something I'd want to buy anymore, since the 6750 XT (or 7700 XT) gives you more headroom with the 4GB extra VRAM and higher performance.

Considering I dont play that many games and the Titan X works fine for now, I dont really want to spend £100s on a GPU at this point in time. but it give me something to work toward.

If that's typical of something you will do in reality then yes, you need more RAM, because you'll be pushing it out to the page file.

That is not typical what I would do in reality, that's just a extreme case to push my system to its limits in the test.

In reality the most I have ever done and would possibly do is keep the browser running with multiple tabs in YouTube or video, in the background, when playing a game. at a push I would have left a movie open in player, have word and photoshop open in the background. I have done this test as well and the most I could push the usage to is 12gb.

Would I need more ram or should I just wait till I start to hit the limit more often ?

 

[2013]

Thank you very much.

It is a modern motherboard so you shouldn't have any trouble with anything you might buy, but ideally get a card with 16 lanes, which will minimise any performance loss from PCI-E 3.0.

Thanks, that clear up things a bit for me.

The only cards that suffer a lot are the 6400 and 6500 XT, because they have just 4 lanes. 8 lane cards do lose some performance, but for the most: not much (a few %).

I dont think its worth switching to something like the 6400 or 6500xt, so it unlikely I would get something like them for this PC.

The 6700 XT / 6750 XT is a good card for the price (around £300), though the 7700 XT at the deal price of around the same would make me happier because it is a bump in performance and has the AI cores that RDNA 2 lacks (AMD have been making noises about using AI in future tech like FSR, so RDNA 2 might be the cut-off point for driver support in the near future). Note that RDNA 3 has AV1 encoding too, if you use AV1 at all (RDNA 2 is decode only).

The RX 7600 8GB isn't something I'd want to buy anymore, since the 6750 XT (or 7700 XT) gives you more headroom with the 4GB extra VRAM and higher performance.

I will keep an eye out for 6750 XT or 7700 XT. which will give my something to upgrade to and something to work toward to balance out my pc.

If that's typical of something you will do in reality then yes, you need more RAM, because you'll be pushing it out to the page file.

That is not typical what I would do in reality, that's just a extreme case to push my system to its limits in the test.

In reality the most I have ever done and would possibly do is keep the browser running with multiple tabs in YouTube or video, in the background, when playing a game. at a push I would have left a movie open in player, have word and photoshop open in the background. I have done this test as well and the most I could push the usage to is 12gb.

Would I need more ram or should I just wait till I start to hit the limit more often ? also what do you mean "because you'll be pushing it out to the page file."

The 5700X3D is competitive even with very recent CPUs, so AM4 is definitely not dead yet:

Is the 5800x not as good or better than the 5700X3D or similar to the 5800X3D

 

[2013]

Maybe with black Friday around the corner a lot more people will upgrade, making the older hardware available.

Should i still just upgrade to 32gb, its not as expensive as it use to be but if I don't I have more money towards the GPU. any thoughts ?

 

[mickyflinn]

Is the 5800x not as good or better than the 5700X3D or similar to the 5800X3D

The x3d chips are better for gaming than the non x3d CPUs and have lower clock speeds which makes them slower in regular and multitasking workloads.

 

[2013]

The x3d chips are better for gaming than the non x3d CPUs and have lower clock speeds which makes them slower in regular and multitasking workloads.

Th is is the part that confused me, based on this link https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D/4085vsm2280831

the 5800x seam to be better or similar. also I assume a 5800X3D would be harder to get.
How much of a boost could I get with a 5700X3D ?
Would I see any improvements outside gaming ?

 

[mickyflinn]

How much of a boost could I get with a 5700X3D ?
Would I see any improvements outside gaming ?

The boost in gaming from the x3d CPUs are game dependant because not all games utilise the v cache and the higher clock speed of the 5800x would be more beneficial.

You have the 5800x I would stick with it.

 

[Drumroll]

If your actual PC isn’t lagging for your use, I would suggest other areas where you’ll benefit from an upgrade, if you really want to improve the overall experience. Monitor: plenty of fast, good quality 1440p monitors pretty cheap now. 4K not limited to 60Hz as it was the case few years back, when anything faster would cost a leg and an arm.
Speakers: unless you already have some decent speakers, it can be a great upgrade. Same for headphones.
Just keep in mind that a monitor upgrade now, even if the actual GPU won’t make full use of it, but when you really need a hardware upgrade, the monitor will be there, waiting for it.
Hardware wise, GPU only if your favourite game/games start to struggle. If CPU starts to struggle, a 5800x3D can give your an extra boost, but apart from gaming, no reason to “upgrade” the CPU.
faster RAM, 3200 low latency is plenty. A lot of good 3200 RAM can run at 3600, just need some loose timings sometimes.
More RAM, for productivity, yes, may help. For games, not all the time.