Is the end of Battery EVs coming?

Nasher said:
I don't think any have been successful yet :D

The US has space for these things. We dont.
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i thought the tata gigafactory was being built on an old munitions site, and was partly brownfield?


end of the day stuff has to be built somewhere, and shoving it all off to China and then using the (lame) excuse "but what about China?" when it comes to any talk of pollution and CO2 footprint etc, given that the reason their output is so high is because they are making stuff for the Western world stinks of hypocrisy imo.

if nothing else, building it over here creates local jobs, local skills and reduces over all Carbon footprint if its not having to be shipped as far. (the fact that Sunaks wife has very close ties to Tata and there is likely a lot of corruption going on as well, I am sure has nothing to do with Sunak paying Tata to build here :D
 
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bigmike20vt said:
i thought the tata gigafactory was being built on an old munitions site, and was partly brownfield?


end of the day stuff has to be built somewhere, and shoving it all off the China and using the (lame) excuse "but what about China?" when it comes to any talk of pollution and CO2 footprint etc, given that the reason their output is so high is because they are making stuff for the Western world.
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So far only exists in CGI images. Already been abandoned once. Locals are protesting against it.

One plant in Scotland went bust last year, Britishvolt went nowhere. I wouldn't say it's had success.
 
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Nasher said:
So far only exists in CGI images. Already been abandoned once. Locals are protesting against it.

One plant in Scotland went bust last year, Britishvolt went nowhere. I wouldn't say it's had success.
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Britishvolt was corrupt AF! i read a bit about that back in the day, parent company in a tax diddle and major investors tied to dodgy mining practices. unfortunately we (as in this country not we as in us) seem to be utterly unable to build an decent infrastucture of note............. it is a national disgrace. That does not mean it doesnt need to happen however, just that it needs to be done better..
 
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bigmike20vt said:
i thought the tata gigafactory was being built on an old munitions site, and was partly brownfield?


end of the day stuff has to be built somewhere, and shoving it all off to China and then using the (lame) excuse "but what about China?" when it comes to any talk of pollution and CO2 footprint etc, given that the reason their output is so high is because they are making stuff for the Western world stinks of hypocrisy imo.
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Yeah it all gets a bit silly. Like pointing to Norway and saying "look how great they are with all their EVs" and not accepting where the countries wealth came from to get to that point.

Ultimately, I'd much rather the streets where I live be passed by zero emission vehicles than old smoker TDI's whether the wider picture is "net zero" or "net status quo".

Maybe I was just unlucky but last week I was reaching for the recirculate button on multiple occasions following some ratty old "prestige" diesel chucking out clouds of soot. That can't end soon enough for me.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
Britishvolt was corrupt AF! i read a bit about that back in the day, parent company in a tax diddle and major investors tied to dodgy mining practices. unfortunately we (as in this country not we as in us) seem to be utterly unable to build an decent infrastucture of note............. it is a national disgrace. That does not mean it doesnt need to happen however, just that it needs to be done better..
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All of these government funded projects are corrupt TBH. You can guess where most of the money will end up.
 
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lordrobs said:
Yeah it all gets a bit silly. Like pointing to Norway and saying "look how great they are with all their EVs" and not accepting where the countries wealth came from to get to that point.
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Norway is a good example of clever governments.

They took the money they made from oil, and invested it smartly via their sovereign wealth fund.

Government Pension Fund of Norway - Wikipedia

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I WISH the UK lot were this smart when it came to North Sea Oil.
 
lordrobs said:
Yeah it all gets a bit silly. Like pointing to Norway and saying "look how great they are with all their EVs" and not accepting where the countries wealth came from to get to that point.

Ultimately, I'd much rather the streets where I live be passed by zero emission vehicles than old smoker TDI's whether the wider picture is "net zero" or "net status quo".

Maybe I was just unlucky but last week I was reaching for the recirculate button on multiple occasions following some ratty old "prestige" diesel chucking out clouds of soot. That can't end soon enough for me.
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i dont think the 2 are mutually exclusive , I think you can respect Norway and their decisions whilst accepting that fossil fuels played a huge part in it. Like it or not oil was, is and will be a huge part of society for quite some time yet..... it is how we use it that matters imo, and whilst we used to have to burn it, now we dont imo (or at least we can burn a hell of a lot less of it)

I am far from perfect btw i am as terrified of some of the changes i am going to have to make as many are about losing their ice cars.... meat for one........... one way or another sooner or later all of us are likely to be forced to massively cut down on that, and that is not something i look forward to.
 
bigmike20vt said:
i dont think the 2 are mutually exclusive , I think you can respect Norway and their decisions whilst accepting that fossil fuels played a huge part in it. Like it or not oil was, is and will be a huge part of society for quite some time yet..... it is how we use it that matters imo, and whilst we used to have to burn it, now we dont imo (or at least we can burn a hell of a lot less of it)

I am far from perfect btw i am as terrified of some of the changes i am going to have to make as many are about losing their ice cars.... meat for one........... one way or another sooner or later all of us are likely to be forced to massively cut down on that, and that is not something i look forward to.
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Absolutely. The point I didn't really end up making with my post was that it is all a balance of the good, the bad and the ugly from every country. Both as producers and consumers.
 
Has the UK ever had profits/capita anywhere near what Norway got with their reserves.

Even the the Aussie buy-out of britishvolt was an omnious aquisition - they don't have a pedigree for car battery production I thought - it's not catl/lg
and well the Tories couldn't let JLR/Tata national treasure ship out during their watch.
 
I think EV's are interesting and can be very convenient for some people, certainly. Particularly if you have more than one car. I wouldn't say putting fuel in an ICE car is a major inconvenience though, particularly if it's economical.

The big thing for me is general infrastructure. Not motorway service stations, but charging at home. There are millions of people who can't park near their house, or don't have any set parking at all. It will be a long time before the government can put that kind of infrastructure in place. It also can't be denied that charger reliability is an issue in public places, I regularly have a look and half the time most of the chargers are covered up or have some sort of problem, which is a pity. The standard generic ones I've tried at Tesco for example are so slow it's not even worth plugging in. My experience of Tesla Superchargers (a few years ago now) was very positive.

I do think adoption of EV's has been largely underpinned by tax breaks and the like. Without all of that, I suspect sales would be much lower. The vast majority of people I know with one admit they more or less "had to have it" on some form of company car scheme - most of them are generally disappointed with the range, but like the cars. A friend has an i4 M50 and struggles to get 200 miles on a full charge, when it's meant to do 300~.
 
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