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If you can't fill a role for that long the salary is too low or the job spec is unrealistic (or both)
Is the situation really this bad?
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We know what the reason is but the CEO doesn't want to change.
But it also shows despite the current climate people are not desperate.
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I'd disagree with that. Devops is still highly in demand.
Jobs within 50 miles of me (which spans the entirety of London) listed on jobserve.com:
with keywords "SRE" = 7
with keywords "Site Reliability Engineer" = 5
with job title containing "SRE" = 4
with job title containing "Site Reliability Engineer" = 1
with keywords "devops" = 88
with job title containing "Devops Engineer" = 19
with job title containing "Devops" = 25
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This week has there been a mass 'unfreeze' of hiring? I am getting replies to job offers submitted months ago and recruiters are reaching out. Of course it could amount to nothing but there has been a notable shift.
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I use linkedin myself and actually never really searched and always got contacted instead
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If any were public sector jobs there's a good chance they'd had a hire freeze. I know for my department, a couple of my still-vacant roles had to go through a process to bypass a freeze.
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Not my end. It's proper dead
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Spotify got rid of thousands of devs
1155 tech companies w/ layoffs in 2023.
257553 employees laid off in 2023.
Here's an AirTable with the largest layoff numbers, according to https://layoffs.fyi.
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And all those thousand of people without a job and competing for scraps..1155 tech companies w/ layoffs in 2023.
257553 employees laid off in 2023.
Here's an AirTable with the largest layoff numbers, according to https://layoffs.fyi.
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Needs to be considered in the context of job creation though. You can can have 250k layoffs and 240k new roles created so only 10k net.
Vacancies have fallen sharply since last summer but are still well above pre-pandemic levels, nearly a million.
Vacancies have fallen sharply since last summer but are still well above pre-pandemic levels, nearly a million.
One of the issues for candidates is that some companies that are hiring are using the constrained hiring situation as an opportunity to make it a lot harder to negotiate with tactics like down-leveling, exploding offers, and requiring counter-offers for any negotiation.
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It's all subjective but half of that stuff I consider reasonable. You make an offer at market rates, they try and push for more, you tell them to jog on if there's a queue out the door of suitable alternate candidates. That's kind of how I'd expect it to work if there's a surplus of talent in the market. It works both ways, in the boom times candidates were perfectly happy to play prospective employers off against each other to boost their package (understandably so), so what goes around comes around.
Requiring counter-offers is something I don't fully understand though. When you are hiring, pushing your candidates to elicit counter-offers from their current employer seems counter-productive to me:
Requiring counter-offers is something I don't fully understand though. When you are hiring, pushing your candidates to elicit counter-offers from their current employer seems counter-productive to me:
- Potentially the candidate gets an attractive counter-offer that either means you lose out on the hire or puts upwards pressure on your offer. The candidate might ask for more money than they would have done with no counter-offer
- It risks alienating the future employee by making them jump through hoops and essentially says "hey, the value we put on you isn't just about your skills, experience and cultural fit relative to market rates, it's also based on whatever arbitrary value your current employer comes up with based on their current circumstances"
- It slows down the hiring process by bringing a third party into the negotiation process.
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I finally found something after hammering it for a solid year, when I was about to throw in the towel... It's not a gig I would have considered under normal circumstances, but it's better than nothing.
It's funny, just recently I watched this video on Youtube called something along the lines of "blue collar billionaire" or whatever. This guy built a massive manual labour contractor company from scratch. He was walking around and talking how ChatGPT is not gonna take his business away, because all those lawyers, doctors, influencers and so on still need plumbers and electricians. He's right for now of course, until the robots take over even that market that is, which I have no doubt will happen sooner or later.
Yep but not in our life time.
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Seems like the New Year has got things picking up. I've been pinged by recruiters several times already since the start of the year about Sales Engineering positions at pre-IPO tech companies in my space (cloud data platfom / engineering).