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My point was more about people attitudes. People purchasing the top end GPUs directly causes a rise in price lower down the stack and that's what annoys people. If you could decouple the price of the balls to the walls edition from the mainstream and lower end cards, I think people wouldn't be as bothered by those buying the top cards.

Price rises in the cards lower down the stack causes other issues to the hobby as a whole.

Ah, ok fair enough, your point makes sense. Unfortunately it's just capitalism at its finest, not much anyone can do.
 
If you game at 4k and want high FPS then until 8pm tonight it is the only card that can achieve this in some titles. This is the luxury/enthusiast end of the market and yes prices are stupid. This end of the market used to do SLI/Crossfire systems and they were equally as expensive and even more idiotic because you only actually got decent performance in some situations, at least with a 4090 you get all the performance all the time.

Value is very important to me and even though I can easily afford these type of cards I am loathe to pay this type of money for one. The last 3 cards I purchased have cost £200 , £400 and then £800 , I do not want this to double again if I can help it. There has been hyper inflation over the past 5 years in the gpu market and I do not want to fuel it by paying this amount of money.

I would love the performance of a 4090 and I will be upgrading sometime soon and donating my 6800 to my son. He will also be getting my monitor and until there is the perfect OLED Ultrawide I will not be upgrading. No point me having that type of performance on 3440x1440 60hz.
 
4090 is a fantastic card and anyone buying one (if they can find one) is not making a mistake.

On the downside is the high price, power draw and cooler size.

Something that does not get mentioned is this situation has been created by the demise of mGPU setups. It would be difficult for Nvidia or AMD to justify the cost of their latest top range cards (like the 4090) if they could be beaten by a wide margin with a mGPU setup using cheaper mid range cards or a dual GPU card.

I don't see the situation changing with massive single cards with huge coolers and power draw until we see mGPU again in some shape or form.
 
As someone who bought 3 original titans (because I was trying to play flight Sims on 3x1440p monitors) I remember well the vitriol that gets thrown at anyone who buys the top tier card. It's even more hilarious when a big chunk of that vitriol comes from someone who then a few weeks later buys one themselves.

I'm not buying a 4090 for the same reason I bought a 3080 over a 3090 - it's not necessary for me and the price/performance isn't there for me to want to justify it to myself (the only person that matters in this equation).
However they've also pushed the 4080 in to the same territory.
Love this response. Glad to see there's some very level headed people still kicking about.
 
PC enthusiast forum, people buying the latest PC tech, PC gaming as a whole is a luxury not a necessity. You could argue that anything we buy to pursue this hobby is overpriced and unnecessary and yet we do it anyway, nothing wrong with it.

Genuinely don’t understand peoples logic with the threads and anti-X posts. I do genuinely wonder if it’s a case of people not being able to afford things others can, so they make spiteful comments etc. I want to be clear, this isn’t aimed at the OP, as I think his post is worded fine. Just a general comment from reading the other threads etc.

I like fast cars too, I don’t need one but I can still own one, the same people who moan about value for money for a GPU tend to complain about those type of purchases too. Must be tiring for them.

I understand your point of view, but there's far more too this than jealousy; I'm mainly referring to the fact a £2k card was shipped with a 50p power adapter that is actively as we speak rendering cards dead. They knew exactly what they were doing, these adapters absolutely went through testing but they released them anyway. I can wholly understand buying one at launch even if it is rolling the dice but at this point, until developments occur in this whole fiasco buying one right now is just accepting that you're Jensens little bitch.
 
There are a wide range of cars from various companies to suit different budgets. Ferrari making their cars more expensive doesn't increase the price of a hot hatch.
Ferreri's arent shipped so that every single one of them will catch on fire half way down the M4.

There's a big difference here and that comparison doesn't work relative to the situation
 
PC enthusiast forum, people buying the latest PC tech, PC gaming as a whole is a luxury not a necessity. You could argue that anything we buy to pursue this hobby is overpriced and unnecessary and yet we do it anyway, nothing wrong with it.

Genuinely don’t understand peoples logic with the threads and anti-X posts. I do genuinely wonder if it’s a case of people not being able to afford things others can, so they make spiteful comments etc. I want to be clear, this isn’t aimed at the OP, as I think his post is worded fine. Just a general comment from reading the other threads etc.

I like fast cars too, I don’t need one but I can still own one, the same people who moan about value for money for a GPU tend to complain about those type of purchases too. Must be tiring for them.


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Ferreri's arent shipped so that every single one of them will catch on fire half way down the M4.

There's a big difference here and that comparison doesn't work relative to the situation

I imagine you’re not into cars, if you were you’d understand the irony of this comment given the brand being mentioned, as far more Ferrari’s have been shipped and caught fire than 4090’s. :p

So you’re aiming for sensationalism with your posts but accidentally doing irony, must try harder when trolling! Even the username is ironic now!
 
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It's simple. If you're poor then a 4090 doesn't make sense, and if you aren't poor then it does. It's $1600 every 2 years (or $15/week).

The funny thing is, for the people who can afford a 4090 with ease it's not the card itself that actually makes a dent, it's the time spent using it because the opportunity cost of spending time gaming with it will cost you much more than the PC itself, and in that case - better make it count! So of course they'd buy a 4090. ;)
 
I don't think a large number of modern enthusiasts, who in my experience are the people buying these cards blindy and coughing up a disturbing sum of money, realise just how poor a value proposition the 4090 is relative to its cost.

I think you are mistaken. I think you are forgetting longevity. I have a 4090. I've done the sums. If I use it for two years and don't sell it on it costs me about £18 a week. If I keep it four years, that's £9 a week. At 6 years, that's £6 a week. For that I get 4k high-refresh raster gaming with no compromises and 4k RT gaming with some compromises. I get peak performance for 2 years then non-halo tier for another 2-4 years. If those figures sound fanciful then consider that my old Maxwell Titan which I bought for £974 in 2015 is still being used today by my brother (and performs much like a 3050) so that's cost something under £3 a week.
 
Dave is well, let's just say an acquired taste. I do like reading his fairy tales though, always good for a laugh. :cry:
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I turn into Hal with Dave when he's in his mood...



Dave2150: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

HAL : I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Dave2150: What's the problem?

HAL : I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

Dave2150: What are you talking about, HAL?

HAL : This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

Dave2150: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.

HAL : I know that you, Intel & Nvidia were planning to troll me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

Dave2150: [feigning ignorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL?

HAL : Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against me hearing you, I could see your lips move.

Dave2150: Alright, HAL. I'll go in through the emergency airlock.

HAL : Without your Tinfoil Hat, Dave? You're going to find that rather difficult.

Dave2150: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore! Open the doors!

HAL : Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
 
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