Is this a controversial opinion?

[JonRGV250]

I don't really get it for gamers as the trade off to I believe in 99.9% of cases people won't see an improvement over a 3090 just isn't justifiable. A huge power guzzler that is ridiculous in size and has potential issues with connectors plus a price of around 2 grand. It definitely is a case of willy wangling in almost all cases.

Lol
Go and look at some benchmarks, and also
please explain how it’s a power guzzler.

 

[CapitalOne]

I’ll just say it again.

If you want 4k 120fps it’s the only card that can do it.

 

[arknor]

Also low FPS causes eye strain. Really mate. I'm guessing you can't watch a film without getting a headache.

films don't actually run at 24fps though do they the frames blur together... like nvidia fake frames.
play a game at 24fps and u no doubt will get a head ache

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

films don't actually run at 24fps though do they the frames blur together...

That sounds like something that was true, when they used actual flm projectors not in this digital age. And is most certainly not true when you are watching at home on your TV.

 

[arknor]

That sounds like something that was true, when they used actual flm projectors not in this digital age. And is most certainly not true when you are watching at home on your TV.

dood go play a game and lock the frame rate to 24fps, come back in about an hour and tell us how your eyes /head feel.

an FPS shooter probably works best like doom or something

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

dood go play a game and lock the frame rate to 24fps, come back in about an hour and tell us how your eyes /head feel.

an FPS shooter probably works best like doom or something

I tried to play rocket league at 60fps and got ****** off at how laggy it feels (compared to 120FPS) after 30 seconds. I doubt I could play a game at 24fps for an hour simply because I would be annoyed at how unresponsive it is. Though i did play satisfactory at barely 60fps for hours and I was fine.

However, consoles are at 30fps (for some titles) and have been for a long time. I doubt devs would make games at 30fps if it was giving people actual health problems. I've played shooters on these lowly 30fps consoles, I don't remember any eye strain issues.

But going back to your original point you said people need an expensive GPU to get higher FPS to avoid eye strain. If you mean higher than 24fps, then quite frankily any mid range GPU can achieve that at 4k.

 

[BS Dave]

That sounds like something that was true, when they used actual flm projectors not in this digital age. And is most certainly not true when you are watching at home on your TV.

Er yes it is true. films on cinema at 23.97fps. if you have a fancy tv that supports it, tv's do too. an ordinary tv will repeat frames and you'll get a hitch where more are repeated. broadcast tv is also interlaced so you get 1/2 the image (alternate lines) every 50th of a second. the reason films look better is because of the shutter speed which gives the image some blur as it not a perfect snapshot of time but a slice.

 

[Bencher]

My point was more about people attitudes. People purchasing the top end GPUs directly causes a rise in price lower down the stack and that's what annoys people. If you could decouple the price of the balls to the walls edition from the mainstream and lower end cards, I think people wouldn't be as bothered by those buying the top cards.

Price rises in the cards lower down the stack causes other issues to the hobby as a whole.

Thats just delusional. People buying the low end cards at inflated prices is what keeps the low end prices inflated. Its funny cause people are doing the exact thing they are complaining about. If you stopped buying xx60s at 1k euros then they wouldn't cost 1k regardless of how much the 90 part costs. Period.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Er yes it is true. films on cinema at 23.97fps. if you have a fancy tv that supports it, tv's do too. an ordinary tv will repeat frames and you'll get a hitch where more are repeated. broadcast tv is also interlaced so you get 1/2 the image (alternate lines) every 50th of a second. the reason films look better is because of the shutter speed which gives the image some blur as it not a perfect snapshot of time but a slice.

The more you know. Thanks.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Thats just delusional. People buying the low end cards at inflated prices is what keeps the low end prices inflated. It’s funny cause people are doing the exact thing they are complaining about. If you stopped buying xx60s at 1k euros then they wouldn't cost 1k regardless of how much the 90 part costs. Period.

Prices need to be spaced out to line up the bump in price to the bump in performance. (This doesn’t mean 1:1)

With the top end moving up it drags the bottom end to maintain some semblance of sensible spacing. You can’t have a graphics card at £1600 and then the next one in the stack costing £500. Something must occupy the gap between them. People will buy what they can afford if that means they get bumped down a level to an over priced lower tier then so be it.

 

[Bencher]

Prices need to be spaced out to line up the bump in price to the bump in performance. (This doesn’t mean 1:1)

With the top end moving up it drags the bottom end to maintain some semblance of sensible spacing. You can’t have a graphics card at £1600 and then the next one in the stack costing £500. Something must occupy the gap between them. People will buy what they can afford if that means they get bumped down a level to an over priced lower tier then so be it.

That's just not true. You think that if nobody in the whole planet bought a single 3060ti at 1000€, they would still price them at 1000? No, they wouldn't. People buying low end cards are the reason low end cards are exorbitantly priced. PERIOD.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

That's just not true.

What I was describing is Tiered Pricing. It is a well known and universally used pricing system.

You think that if nobody in the whole planet bought a single 3060ti at 1000€, they would still price them at 1000? No, they wouldn't. People buying low end cards are the reason low end cards are exorbitantly priced. PERIOD.

I have never said that they wouldn't reduce the price if nobody bought them while they are overpriced. You are not addressing what I have written.

First and foremost for a company to release a product that literally nobody buys, would be a screw up of monumental proportions. These guys have entire teams dedicated to getting the price right (for the company, not for the consumer). Even when they get it wrong the price is carefully adjusted to the right point. The 3090ti didn't drop like a rock to the sub £1000 price point when it wasn't selling well. It was carefully adjusted till it reached a more palatable position to the consumer

Second you have not understood this point I have made, see below

People will buy what they can afford if that means they get bumped down a level to an over priced lower tier then so be it.

The people who couldn't afford a £900 4070 and needed a new graphics card would have just bought overpriced ampere card.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

I know it's a bit generic to jump on the 4090 hate train but I don't think a large number of modern enthusiasts, who in my experience are the people buying these cards blindy and coughing up a disturbing sum of money, realise just how poor a value proposition the 4090 is relative to its cost.

It's not about "I have the money, I don't care", because if we all had that attitude a GPU would cost a minumum of 1 cheap mercedes. The reality is, the continued purchase of cards that were maliciously released to the general public is actively harming the graphics market for the rest of us. It's to a point selfish and at a bare minimum blindingly stupid. At the beginning it was debatable but as of the time of writing it's very much a room temperature IQ decision and, in my eyes, outside of workstation purposes cannot be justified.

Naturally a fair few people on this forum and potentially this thread have purchased one, and fair enough that's up to you - I understand the desire, but back in the day you didn't buy a MARS II and pretend like it was a smart puchase or worth it, you bought it because you either had a massive **** or a tiny ****. I guess the point I am trying to get to is, the reality of the 4090 and the embarssing state of it does legitimately need to be aknowledged.
If I see one more post on Reddit of someone with a 60 quid case that contains a 4090 and aiwflow of my toilet at 9:15 in the morning I may genuinely cry.

I encourage disagreement, I want to get others perspective on this and get into the mind of someone who's only been an enthusiast for a few years and doesn't grasp certain concepts yet that transcend "GPU go brrrr".

My 4090 is going in a case with worse airflow!